Paris Attackers Were All European Nationals

Mandelus · Nov 20, 2015

Silver Surfer said: ↑

So Germans didn't treat you and your family well in the past? You've got to earn your right to be treated like equal. Not only in Germany but anywhere in the world. I disagree with you. Equal opportunities have given everyone the same rights. As a matter of fact, in the UK they used to be quotas. Jobs were given not according to qualifications but according to a racial o even religious group you belong to. In London, for example, the discrimination was against white indigenous population. Walk into any council building or housing benefit department in London and you will get the picture. When my Asian friends visit London - first thing they ask me, where are the white people?
Click to expand...

First of all, I’m and my family is neither Muslim, nor immigrant in Germany. My wife is from Poland and that’s all about family issue with immigration.

An immigrant has to earn to be treated like equal you say. Well … what does this mean for you?
For me it means that an immigrant has to accept the laws and values and the culture of the country where the person is immigrant … and this all an immigrant has to do full and without any if and but.
To do so means on other side clearly not that he has to give up his own ancestry and culture! This is nowhere in the world the case. Did for example Irish people in the USA give up their Irish culture? No and so it is even not with more foreign cultures as for example Chinese and others!

On the other side has the country a duty too and here the politic failed everywhere much in matter of integration. Too often things are only half-hearted done and so bring nothing, aside wasted tax money!
Of course has an immigrant his duties and here they failed too often same way. There are language courses for immigrants to learn the local language and this is a duty to give them. But the immigrants have the duty to use them AND to learn the language really at best they can. Here I have personally for example not a spark of understanding when a Turkish person, born in Germany speaks note able lesser good German as my wife, who came to Germany 11 years ago and could before not speak more as “Ja und Nein” (Yes and No).
It could not be that an Albanian kid with age 3 in Kindergarten, born in Germany and parents living since 15 years in Germany could not speak or understand a single word German, because at home not a single word German is spoken AND finally it could not be that the parents then demand that Kindergarten has to teach this kid German!

In the UK it is, as I know by my own experiences, far other as in Germany. In the UK you have a far bigger “grey zone” between political left and right as in Germany. Simple example from above: When I demand these logical and normal things named by me above, I’m directly blamed to be like a Nazi … no joke!
It could not be that a colleague of my wife who is African and worked slow like a turtle answered on critic of her boss to be faster that he is a racist, because she is black! Such things make me angry for sure, but I don’t become out of this a racist and tell that all blacks are this way or the majority! I know black people where some Germans should take them as example for good working!

So in conclusion the complete thing is difficult and has even not only 1 shade of grey between black and white ratings. You are in parts totally right of what you write and I don’t disagree with you in general … but there are also not only few negative examples where countries failed utterly and even the societies do too.

snakestretcher · Nov 20, 2015

Mr_Truth said: ↑

As I wrote on another thread, right wing hero Bush allowed entry into this country of refugees from Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Somalia when those countries were in civil wars. He dumped them into the Twin Cities area here in Minnesota and ISIS used some of them to recruit fellow terrorists.

Bush was not criticized by Democrats when he did this. Yet, Republicans have no trouble criticizing Obama for allowing entry of the Syrian refugees.

Double standards, much ?
Click to expand...

Sadly double standards exist in all walks of political life; today's best friend in the Middle East is tomorrow's nastiest member of the 'axis of evil', just as soon as his usefulness is done with. The West did the same with Stalin.

alexa · Nov 20, 2015

Sly Lampost said: ↑

It's a really interesting and informative article.
Click to expand...

I take it you are meaning the one Jazz left. For some strange reason when I clicked on the link I did not get through to it but to one advertising other articles. When I then clicked on again having written my reply I got through to it. The French have a very bad reputation for their treatment of Muslims historically. Here is a video of them since the Hebdo attacks. I unfortunately have not been able to get it to work for me. Hope it does for others.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/film-shows-chilling-climate-for-muslims-in-post-hebdo-france/

Sly Lampost · Nov 20, 2015

alexa said: ↑

I take it you are meaning the one Jazz left. For some strange reason when I clicked on the link I did not get through to it but to one advertising other articles. When I then clicked on again having written my reply I got through to it. The French have a very bad reputation for their treatment of Muslims historically. Here is a video of them since the Hebdo attacks. I unfortunately have not been able to get it to work for me. Hope it does for others.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/film-shows-chilling-climate-for-muslims-in-post-hebdo-france/
Click to expand...

Yes indeed. The link works okay for me. Anyway, I'm copy and pasting it below:

The French Republic taken hostage
by Thierry Meyssan
The war which has now spread to Paris is incomprehensible for those French citizens who are ignorant of practically all the secret activities of their government in the Arab world, of its unnatural alliances with the Gulf dictators, and its active participation in international terrorism. These policies have never been discussed in Parliament, and the major media have rarely dared to take an interest in them.

VOLTAIRE NETWORK | DAMASCUS (SYRIA) | 17 NOVEMBER 2015
FRANÇAIS DEUTSCH ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΆ ESPAÑOL РУССКИЙ СРПСКИ عربي NEDERLANDS PORTUGUÊS ITALIANO فارسى POLSKI ČEŠTINA
+
For the last five years, the French people have been hearing about distant wars, but without ever understanding what they meant. The Press informed them about the engagement of their army in Libya, but never about the presence of French soldiers on mission in the Levant. My articles on this subject are widely-read, but perceived as some sort of Oriental aberration. Despite my personal history, it remains quite acceptable to qualify me as an « extremist », or a « conspiracy theorist », and to point out that my articles are reproduced by Internet sites of all political colours, including those which are in fact authentically extremist or conspiracist. Yet nobody seems to have any quarrel with what I write. But neither do they pay any attention to my warnings about the alliances concluded by the French governement.

Now, suddenly, the unheeded truth surfaces.

France was attacked on the night of Friday 13th November 2015 by several commandos who massacred at least 130 people in five different areas of Paris. The state of emergency was decreed for a period of 12 days over the whole territory, and may be extended by act of Parliament.

No direct link with the Charlie Hebdo affair

The French Press interprets these acts of war by linking them to the attack made on Charlie Hebdo, although the operational modes were completely different. In January, the attack was aimed at killing specific people, while in this case, it was a co-ordinated attack on a large number of people chosen at random.

We know today that just before the January attack, the editor-in-chief of Charlie Hebdo had received a « gift » of 200,000 Euros from the Near East in order to continue his anti-Muslim campaign [1] ; that the killers were linked to the French intelligence services [2] ; and that the origin of their weapons is covered by the Official Secrets Act [3]. I have already demonstrated that the attack was not an Islamist operation [4], that it was immediately recuperated by a state [5], and that this recuperation had raised echoes in populations hostile to the Republic [6] – an idea which was brilliantly developed a few months later by the demographer Emmanuel Todd [7].

To get back to the war which has just spread to Paris, it has been a shock for Western Europe. It can not be compared to the attacks in Madrid in 2004. In Spain, there were no shooters, no kamikazes, but 10 bombs placed in 4 separate locations [8]. The type of horror which has just exploded in France is the daily lot of many populations of the « Wider Middle East », and has been since 2001. And comparable events can be found elsewhere, like the three days of attacks in six distinct locations, in Bombay, 2008 [9].

Even if the assaillants of the 13th November were Muslims, and even if some of them shouted « Allah Akbar ! » as they killed passers-by, there is no link to such earlier attacks, to Islam, or to an eventual « war of civilisations ». These commandos had clearly received the order to kill at random, without first enquiring as to the religion of their victims.

In the same way, it is absurd to take at face value the motive claimed by Daesh against France – even if there is no doubt about its implication in this attack. Indeed, if the terrorist organisation had wanted to « avenge » itself, it would have struck at Moscow.

France has been a terrorist state since at least 2011

The interpretation of these events is unclear, because behind non-state groups there are always states which sponsor them. In the 1970’s, the Venezualan Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, known as « Carlos » or « The Jackal » aligned himself by conviction with the Palestinian cause and the Revolution, and was offered the discrete support of the USSR. In the 1980’s, the example of Carlos was revived by mercenaries working for the highest bidder, like Sabri al Banna, known as « Abou Nidal », who carried out terrorist attacks for Libya and Syria as well as Israël. Today, there exists a cloudy network of terrorism and secret actors implicating a large number of states.

In principle, states always deny their participation in terrorist groups. However, the French Foreign Minister, Laurent Fabius, declared in December 2012, during the « Friends of Syria » conference in Marrakesh, that Al-Nusra, the Syrian branch of Al-Qaïda, had « done a good job » [10].

Because of his status, M. Fabius knew that he did not risk being taken to court to answer for supporting an organisation listed as « terrorist » by United Nations Security Council, but he took a serious risk for his country by dropping them into the cauldron of terrorism with this statement.

In truth, France had been implicated on the side of Al-Qaïda at least since the beginning of 2011. At that time, the United Kingdom and France had signed up for the US project called « the Arab Spring ». The goal of this operation was to overthrow all the secular Arab régimes and replace them with dictatorships run by the Muslim Brotherhood. Although London and Paris had discovered this operation while it was on-going in Tunisia and in Egypt, they had previously been solicited for Libya and Syria [11]. In Libya, with the help of the Italian Special Forces, they organised the massacres in Benghazi, and then, with the help of Al-Qaïda, the capture of the Libyan arsenals. I can attest to the fact that in August 2011, while I was under the protection of Khamis el-Kadhafi, NATO assaulted the capital, and the Hotel Rixos, where we were staying, was seiged to cries of « Allah Akbar ! » by a unit of Al-Qaïda. They were called the Tripoli Brigade, and were commanded by Mahdi al-Harati and supervised by operational French officers. The same Mahdi al-Harati was present with his commanding officer, Abdelhakim Belhaj, the founder of the so-called « Free Syrian Army » which was in reality a section of Al-Qaïda, fighting under the French colonial flag.

In Syria, the presence of French officers supervising armed groups while they were committing crimes against humanity is widely attested.

France then went on to play an extremely complex and dangerous game. In January 2013 - in other words, one month after Laurent Fabius’ public support for Al-Qaïda in Syria - France launched an operation in Mali against the same Al-Qaïda, provoking the first reaction against its agents infiltrated in Syria.

You, of course, have never heard anything about all that, because although France has democratic institutions, its current policy in the Arab world has never been publicly discussed. In violation of article 35 of the Constitution, it decided to enter into war with Libya and Syria after only a few hours of superficial parliamentary debate - at the most - and without a vote. The French parliamentarians thus discarded their mandate to excercise control over the Executive as far as foreign policy was concerned, apparently believing that this was a private domain of the President, and without real consequence for daily life. However, as anyone can now see, on the contrary, peace and security, one of the four « Human and Citizens’ Rights » of 1789 (article 2), depend upon it directly. The worst is yet to come.

In the beginning of 2014, while the liberal US hawks were working on their plan for the transformation of the Islamic Emirate in Iraq and Cham into what was going to become Daesh, France and Turkey transported munitions to Al-Qaïda so that they could fight the Islamic Emirate – this point is attested by a document presented to the Security Council on the 14th July 2014 [12]. However, France later joined this secret operation, and participated in the international anti-Daesh Coalition, which, as everyone now knows, contrary to its name, did not bomb Daesh, but delivered weapons to it for a year [13]. The situation evolved further after the signature of the 5+1 agreement with Iran. The United States suddenly turned on the terrorist organisation and pushed it back to Al-Hasakah (Syria) [14]. But it was only in mid-October 2015 – a month ago – that France began to fight Daesh. Not to stop the massacres, but to conquer part of the territory it occupies in Syria and Iraq, and install a new colonial state which is to be called « Kurdistan », even though the Kurdish population will be largely in the minority [15].

In this perspective, France sent its aircraft-carrier – which has not yet arrived – to support the Marxist-Leninists of the Kurdish party YPG against its ex-ally Daesh. But what does this polititcal reference mean when the project is to create a colonial state ?.

We are currently witnessing the second reaction. Not from al-Qaïda in Syria this time, but from Daesh in France, on the instructions od France’s unmentionable allies.

Who directs Daesh

Daesh is an artificial creation. It is nothing more than the instrument of the policies of several states and multinationals.

Its principal financial resources come from petrol, Afghan drugs – of which the French have not yet understood the implications on their own territory – and Levantine antiques. Everyone agrees that the stolen petrol freely crosses Turkey before being sold in Western Europe. Given the quantities involved, there can be no possible doubt about Turkish support for Daesh [16].

Three weeks ago, a spokesperson for the Syrian Arab Army revealed that three planes, respectively chartered by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, had exfiltrated Daesh combatants from Syria and taken them to Yemen. Once again, there can be no possible doubt concerning the links between these three states and Daesh, in violation of the pertinent resolutions of the UN Security Council.

Following the first Geneva Conference in June 2012, I explained in depth that a faction within the US state apparatus was waging its own policy, contrary to that of the White House. At first, this conspiracy was directed by the head of the CIA, which was the co-founder of Daesh in 2007 (« The Surge ») [17], General David Petraeus, until his removal in handcuffs the day after the re-election of President Barack Obama. Then it was the turn of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who was prevented by an unfortunate « accident » from completing her mandate during the period of presidential transition. Finally, the combat was continued by ambassador Jeffrey Feltman from his offices at the UNO, and by General John Allen, at the head of the phoney anti-Daesh Coalition. This group, a part of the US « deep state », which had never ceased from opposing the 5+1 agreement with Iran and fighting the Syrian Arab Republic, maintains its members within the Obama administration. Above all, it can count on the multinational corporations, whose budgets are greater than those of the states themselves, and who can finance their own secret operations. In particular, this is the case of the petrol company Exxon-Mobil (the true owner of Qatar), the investment fund KKR, and the private army Academi (ex-Blackwater).

France has thus become a mercenary state working for these multinationals.

France, object of blackmail

On the 11th November 2015, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls declared that France was engaged against terrorism [18].

On the 12th November, the Observatoire national de la délinquance et des réponses pénales (National Observatory for Delinquency and Legal Response) - attached to the Ministry of the Interior – published a report stating that terrorism has become the second preoccupation of the French people, after unemployment [19].

On the morning of the 13th November, in Nanterre, the Minister for the Interior, Bernard Cazeneuve, presented a 20-part plan to limit the arms traffic [20].

Clearly, the government was expecting the worst, which implies that France was in negotiation with the organisation that attacked it. France made engagements that it did not respect, and is now certainly the victim of blackmail by the terrorist leaders it has betrayed.

An excercise simulating terrorist attacks was carried out on the very morning of the attack by the hospital emergency services [21]. A coïncidence that had already been revealed during the attacks of the 11th September 2001 in New York and Washington, those of the 11th March 2004 in Madrid, and also the 7th July 2005 in London.

Provisional Conclusion

The successive French governments have created alliances with states whose values are opposed to those of the Republic. They have successively engaged in secret wars on their behalf, and then retreated. President Hollande, his private Chief of Staff, General Benoit Puga, his Minister for Foreign Affairs, Laurent Fabius, and Fabius’ predecessor Alain Juppé, are today the objects of blackmail from which they can not extricate themselves without revealing the mess in which they have implicated their country, even if this exposes them to the High Court of Justice.

On the 28th September, at the tribune of the United Nations, President Putin, addressing the United States and France, exclaimed: « I would like to ask those responsible for this situation – "Are you at least aware of what you have done ?" But I fear that this question will remain unanswered, because these people have not renounced their politicies, which are based on an exaggerated self-confidence and the conviction of their exceptional nature and their impunity » [22]. Neither the United States nor France listened to him. It is now too late.

Keep in mind
- The French government has progressively distanced itself from international legality. It has perpetrated political assassinations and supported terrorist actions since at least 2011.
- The French government has created unnatural alliances with the petrol dictatorships of the Persian Gulf. It is working with a group of US personalities and multinational companies to sabotage the politicies of appeasement advanced by Presidents Obama and Putin.
- The French government has entered into conflict with some untrustworthy allies. One of these organisations sponsored the attacks in Paris.
Click to expand...

Jazz · Nov 20, 2015

alexa said: ↑

Interesting site. The French are now apparently expecting a chemical attack but possibly more surprisingly French Jews according to your site and an apparent article in the Times of Israel were forewarned about the attacks in Paris last Friday!!

http://www.voltairenet.org/article189326.html
Click to expand...

Now, that is an interesting site!!! Just like the Jews in New York were told to stay home that day, when the Twin Towers came down.
So, is it possible that this latest attack in Paris was also an israeli-involved act?

Hollande is a Jew and a friend of Israel. Certainly, he was told as well, IF he didn't know already.
Hollande has been acting strange recently, Thierry Meyssan finds. For instance he says Israel has no atomic bombs. Yet, France built Israel's nuclear facility in the Negev desert!!

Read all here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188266.html

Flyflicker · Nov 20, 2015

Daily Bread said: ↑

Stop all immigration and you'll begin to gain law and order . This is not the immigration of the 40s and 50s . These are ignorant people that do not assimilate into civil societies. They only come with open hands and will never blend in .
Click to expand...

and yet we have immigrants in this country who do assimilate and do very well. I've known several immigrants from India, for example, who still follow their religion, but speak fluent English and contribute economically to the nation as a whole.

Injeun · Nov 20, 2015

Crawdadr said: ↑

I believe in patterns, should I ignore them because some people may be offended? The poor and disenfranchised are the foot soldiers of most ideologies. Anarchism, Communism, fascism, Islamic extremism. The only way to stop it is to address the problems they pose or take away their recruits. Causality is important to determine if you ever wish to end a problem. You do want to end Islamic extremism dont you? Well if you do, it may just pay to figure out where they get their recruits and why those recruiters succeed.
Click to expand...

Necessity also drives or beckons all good things. The path we choose goes to the individual, not the circumstance. Some people simply love evil more than good. You need to learn that.......that all cannot be saved....that the devil will have his own...that God will not be robbed....and that the glory and honor belong to no man.

AlpinLuke · Nov 20, 2015

longknife said: ↑

Think of that for a moment. They weren't refugees or people who had come in from elsewhere. Some were even born and grew up in Europe. What kind of society exists there that creates such monsters? And, it should be noted that the vast majority of French Muslims are in France as citizens from former colonies.

Here they are:

Bilal Hadfi, 20 - French (living in Belgium)

Ismaël Omar Mostefaï, 29 - French

Samy Amimour, 28 - French

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31 - French (living in Belgium)

Salah Abdeslam, 26 - French (living in Belgium)

Hamza Attou, 21 - Belgian

Mohamed Amri, 27 - Belgian (born in Morocco)

*Eighth suspect (unidentified) carrying stolen passport in name of 'Ahmad al-Mohammad', 25 - from Idlib, Syria

The alleged mastermind is Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 27, from Belgium.

Read more @ http://www.ibtimes.com/paris-attack...uropean-nationals-not-syrian-refugees-2191677
Click to expand...

From what we can infer from early investigations regarding Abaaoud [the master mind of the attacks who has died in the last blitz in Paris] was a kind of borderline subject, a mediocre uncool dorky looser [if I was a bit less kind I will say a prick].

It's not rare to find similar subjects in our post industrialized / pseudomodern societies. Then, the way they are able to "realize" themselves depends on their cultural background. Usually religion on similar subjects has got a devastating effect if they get in touch with extremist factions [otherwise they could find a faith to carry on].

It's amusing and interesting that his mobile phone shows a kind of evolution: from pictures of naked women to pictures of him showing the pride to kill the infidels ... from eroticism to Jihad!

The real problem is that similar subjects are vulnerable. A good prevention would be to detect them and to control them.

alexa · Nov 20, 2015

Jazz said: ↑

Now, that is an interesting site!!! Just like the Jews in New York were told to stay home that day, when the Twin Towers came down.
So, is it possible that this latest attack in Paris was also an israeli-involved act?

Hollande is a Jew and a friend of Israel. Certainly, he was told as well, IF he didn't know already.
Hollande has been acting strange recently, Thierry Meyssan finds. For instance he says Israel has no atomic bombs. Yet, France built Israel's nuclear facility in the Negev desert!!

Read all here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188266.html
Click to expand...

I don't think Holland is a Jew, I did a search on that recently and the answer that came back was many people were asking but no. Yes, it was the French which gave Israel nukes.

starcitizen · Nov 20, 2015

alexa said: ↑

I take it you are meaning the one Jazz left. For some strange reason when I clicked on the link I did not get through to it but to one advertising other articles. When I then clicked on again having written my reply I got through to it. The French have a very bad reputation for their treatment of Muslims historically. Here is a video of them since the Hebdo attacks. I unfortunately have not been able to get it to work for me. Hope it does for others.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/film-shows-chilling-climate-for-muslims-in-post-hebdo-france/
Click to expand...

Ya those evil French granting millions of Muslims asylum and citizenship, giving them the liberty to build their radical Mosques and Madrassas and pray and teach their hateful ideology freely, how were these poor 8 Muslims mistreated? Was the government Jizya dole not enough for them? Was their free houses not big enough? Was their free food not Halal? Was their free medicine not adequate? Or did someone draw a cartoon they didn't like or wear a crucifix or Kippah in a Muslim no go zone neighborhood?

Independant thinker · Nov 20, 2015

longknife said: ↑

Think of that for a moment. They weren't refugees or people who had come in from elsewhere. Some were even born and grew up in Europe. What kind of society exists there that creates such monsters? And, it should be noted that the vast majority of French Muslims are in France as citizens from former colonies.

Here they are:

Bilal Hadfi, 20 - French (living in Belgium)

Ismaël Omar Mostefaï, 29 - French

Samy Amimour, 28 - French

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31 - French (living in Belgium)

Salah Abdeslam, 26 - French (living in Belgium)

Hamza Attou, 21 - Belgian

Mohamed Amri, 27 - Belgian (born in Morocco)

*Eighth suspect (unidentified) carrying stolen passport in name of 'Ahmad al-Mohammad', 25 - from Idlib, Syria

The alleged mastermind is Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 27, from Belgium.

Read more @ http://www.ibtimes.com/paris-attack...uropean-nationals-not-syrian-refugees-2191677
Click to expand...

Oh yeah they sound like European names baby!

Crawdadr · Nov 20, 2015

Injeun said: ↑

Necessity also drives or beckons all good things. The path we choose goes to the individual, not the circumstance. Some people simply love evil more than good. You need to learn that.......that all cannot be saved....that the devil will have his own...that God will not be robbed....and that the glory and honor belong to no man.
Click to expand...

If you take that stance you will only succeed in never solving the problem. Evil is only evil if you know it. If you think that God or country needs you to do something in order to save more lives many do it. When the Pilots firebombed Dresden killing thousands those pilots thought they were doing good. When these extremists blow themselves up, the believe they are doing a necessary act for God or their people. To break it down further when a soldier shoots a person for his country is he evil?

The terrorist sees his enemy as evil. His enemy sees the terrorist is evil. The French resistance blew up cafes with other Frenchmen in it and were called terrorists. That is until we won the war and now they are heros. So which is it were they heros for blowing up those cafes or evil murderers? Did they just love evil or did they molded by their experiences and situation?

Mandelus · Nov 20, 2015

Jazz said: ↑

Now, that is an interesting site!!! Just like the Jews in New York were told to stay home that day, when the Twin Towers came down.
So, is it possible that this latest attack in Paris was also an israeli-involved act?

Hollande is a Jew and a friend of Israel. Certainly, he was told as well, IF he didn't know already.
Hollande has been acting strange recently, Thierry Meyssan finds. For instance he says Israel has no atomic bombs. Yet, France built Israel's nuclear facility in the Negev desert!!

Read all here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188266.html
Click to expand...

Again one who becomes fooled by Voltairenet?

FACT is that the Mossad is, if necessary, sending out warnings to local Jewish organizations when they have relevant knowledge that something could happen! This is normal and there is nothing wrong with this ... because they warn the same way their partners and friends too.
In matter of 9/11 was a concrete warning given by Mossad to CIA about, source therefor is George Tenet who told this!
In matter of Paris it was since weeks clear that ISIS will make something ... not only in France, but in other countries too! So any wondering that after the Charlie Hebdo terror act, in which were later several Jews killed as we all know, the Mossad send a warning to France and French Jews when he has relevant news and knowledge?

alexa · Nov 20, 2015

Sly Lampost said: ↑

Yes indeed. The link works okay for me. Anyway, I'm copy and pasting it below:
Click to expand...

Wow! Some article. I hadn't seen that. I came upon one of them killing 200 French Muslims some decades ago. I knew that because I had already seen some Al Jazeera documentaries which included it.

With regard to Mali, certainly their involvement was not so innocent - something about preserving economic rights from colonisation if I remember correctly.

However there is a lot in this which I know nothing about and I wouldn't just take it at face value. It would need to be researched to discover whether things stood up to the test or were just conspiracy theories which it does sound like. Does he have links on all the pages for further verification? Have you checked them? I think it would need a whole lot of time and study before this could be taken at face value.

France though is certainly not as innocent a country as we sometimes think. Only recently I was reading a tweet from a Palestinian who said something like they were hoping for peace but are worried their situation may be turning into Algieria!!

If you manage to get the video going - Max Blumenthal is in it - I would be interested to know what it says.

Zorro · Nov 20, 2015

Report: Abaaoud, the Mastermind of the Paris Attacks, Entered Europe Posing as a Refugee

"He had an EU passport but since he was already on the wanted list for a shootout with Belgian police, it's believed he snuck back into the EU from Syria posing as a refugee."

http://neoneocon.com/2015/11/19/aba...rminds-of-europe-as-you-guessed-it-a-refugee/

alexa · Nov 20, 2015

Zorro said: ↑

Report: Abaaoud, the Mastermind of the Paris Attacks, Entered Europe Posing as a Refugee

"He had an EU passport but since he was already on the wanted list for a shootout with Belgian police, it's believed he snuck back into the EU from Syria posing as a refugee."

http://neoneocon.com/2015/11/19/aba...rminds-of-europe-as-you-guessed-it-a-refugee/
Click to expand...

and that of course should never have happened. There should have been his picture everywhere. Obviously the EU will need to tighten up security - very difficult when you are getting up to 20,000 refugees in a day and very easy to miss the one. That being said I am sure he could have done it from Syria if need be.

starcitizen · Nov 20, 2015

Tommy Palven said: ↑

Inconvenient history for war activists from Eric Margolis:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/eric-margolis/truth-paris/
Click to expand...

Ah so the squashing of a mass Muslim riot 50 years ago caused Muslims to mass murder hundreds of innocent civilians, it would seem the problem isn't the French it's Muslims and it would appear the solution would be getting rid of them, they have no place in the west.

Jazz · Nov 20, 2015

alexa said: ↑

I don't think Holland is a Jew, I did a search on that recently and the answer that came back was many people were asking but no. Yes, it was the French which gave Israel nukes.
Click to expand...

Me, too, can't find proof he is a Jew, but Thierry Meyssan calls him a Zionist, because of...

read here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article181169.html

Jazz · Nov 20, 2015

Mandelus said: ↑

Again one who becomes fooled by Voltairenet?

FACT is that the Mossad is, if necessary, sending out warnings to local Jewish organizations when they have relevant knowledge that something could happen! This is normal and there is nothing wrong with this ... because they warn the same way their partners and friends too.
In matter of 9/11 was a concrete warning given by Mossad to CIA about, source therefor is George Tenet who told this!
In matter of Paris it was since weeks clear that ISIS will make something ... not only in France, but in other countries too! So any wondering that after the Charlie Hebdo terror act, in which were later several Jews killed as we all know, the Mossad send a warning to France and French Jews when he has relevant news and knowledge?

Click to expand...

How about this site?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/13/charlie2/
and this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIP5YrFWppI

You in your little Germany don't know what is really going on in the world!!

alexa · Nov 20, 2015

Jazz said: ↑

Me, too, can't find proof he is a Jew, but Thierry Meyssan calls him a Zionist, because of...

read here:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article181169.html
Click to expand...

Yes, that might make more sense than a Jew so I did a search to see if he was a Christian Zionist but no result there. I know that many of the top Government posts in France have been given to Jews - I think both Home and Foreign Office so I don't really know where he is coming from. I would have thought in France as in the UK that Jews are moving away from Zionism as it is not going where they want to go. 24% now consider themselves anti zionist which is quite a lot and growing and almost 25% would support a boycott on Israel - 41% of British Jews under 30 would support sanctions - so I guess we need to be looking for Zionists not Jews!

Progressive Even on Palestine (- antisemite shmucks according to France!)

No I don't know what gives with Hollande. I heard him described as right wing on ideology, left wing on economics last week.

Silver Surfer · Nov 20, 2015

As long as the western world doesn't address the real issue - Saudi Arabia and their financial support for different terror groups we are bound to experience terrorist attacks. It's always Salafist brainwashing and teachings involved. They planted the seed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uctive-wave-of-terror-in-europe-a6736996.html

...Some of the problems are thought to have deeper roots, including a 1970s decision to allow Saudi Arabia to send preachers with fundamentalist, Salafist teachings to Moroccan immigrants. The Great Mosque of Brussels is still owned by the Saudi royal family. However, it was the Syrian civil war that gave the jihadists their recent fillip. Belgium’s chief police commissioner Catherine de Bolle says that of 474 Belgians linked with the Syria conflict, about 130 have returned, 77 have died in the conflict, and more than 200 are still over there. Intelligence officials say that Syria – in particular, the ultra-violent ideology of Isis – represents a paradigm shift from seeking a regional caliphate to global Jihad...
Click to expand...

katzgar · Nov 20, 2015

Gizmo said: ↑

The biggesst threat to Western security is western foreign policy, these people have become radicalised because of the things our countries have been doing to their people for decades, you can't ever protect from that type of attack its impossible, the army have been on the streets of Paris for 10 months it still made no difference. If you want to stop them happening you have to view it like a doctor, the attacks are merely the symptoms, we need to treat the cause.

And the cause is our foreign policy, the only way it will stop is for our civilian populations to pressure our governments to start conducting their foreign policy with a modicum of morality and without all the hypocrisy, ditch the alliance with Saudi and force a two-state solution on Israel would be a great starting place.
Click to expand...

dont buy it. we bombed the crap out of germany and japan and get along just fine noe.

Serfin' USA · Nov 20, 2015

Gizmo said: ↑

The biggesst threat to Western security is western foreign policy, these people have become radicalised because of the things our countries have been doing to their people for decades, you can't ever protect from that type of attack its impossible, the army have been on the streets of Paris for 10 months it still made no difference. If you want to stop them happening you have to view it like a doctor, the attacks are merely the symptoms, we need to treat the cause.

And the cause is our foreign policy, the only way it will stop is for our civilian populations to pressure our governments to start conducting their foreign policy with a modicum of morality and without all the hypocrisy, ditch the alliance with Saudi and force a two-state solution on Israel would be a great starting place.
Click to expand...

While I support us getting less involved in foreign conflicts, I've bolded an important part.

"Their people"... Notice how many of these people identify with citizens of a foreign country over their fellow non-Muslim citizens. That definitely says something about the unintended consequences of immigration. It's not the first generation Muslims that you usually have to worry about. Second generation Muslims often experience alienation in the West, because many of them are conflicted in what culture they identify with. They have to decide whether they connect more with the culture they were born in or the culture of their parents' home country.

A lot of the immigration that is a legacy of past colonialism is haunting Europe now.

alexa · Nov 20, 2015

Silver Surfer said: ↑

As long as the western world doesn't address the real issue - Saudi Arabia and their financial support for different terror groups we are bound to experience terrorist attacks. It's always Salafist brainwashing and teachings involved. They planted the seed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uctive-wave-of-terror-in-europe-a6736996.html
Click to expand...

There isn't any question that the West has a responsibility for the spread of Salafi/Wahhabism

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0411.hirsh.html

and, if you watched Question Time last night there is not a hope in hell that the current government will even look at our relationship with SA and the consequences.

Serfin' USA · Nov 20, 2015

Silver Surfer said: ↑

As long as the western world doesn't address the real issue - Saudi Arabia and their financial support for different terror groups we are bound to experience terrorist attacks. It's always Salafist brainwashing and teachings involved. They planted the seed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...uctive-wave-of-terror-in-europe-a6736996.html
Click to expand...

Indeed. Both America and Europe should stop buying oil from the Middle East in general.

Log in or Sign up

Paris Attackers Were All European Nationals

Mandelus Well-Known Member

snakestretcher Banned

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Sly Lampost New Member

Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

Flyflicker New Member

Injeun Well-Known Member

AlpinLuke Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

starcitizen Banned

Independant thinker Banned

Crawdadr Well-Known Member

Mandelus Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Zorro Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

starcitizen Banned

Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Silver Surfer Banned

katzgar Banned

Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

Share This Page

Log in or Sign up

Paris Attackers Were All European Nationals

Mandelus Well-Known Member

snakestretcher Banned

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Sly Lampost New Member

Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

Flyflicker New Member

Injeun Well-Known Member

AlpinLuke Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

starcitizen Banned

Independant thinker Banned

Crawdadr Well-Known Member

Mandelus Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Zorro Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

starcitizen Banned

Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Silver Surfer Banned

katzgar Banned

Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

Share This Page

Useful Searches