Paris Attackers Were All European Nationals

Yes. I see what you mean.

 

Hd's a reliable journo I've been reading for years. I haven't fact checked this article, although I have fact checked others he's written - and never found a flaw. He usually either footnotes or posts links to other articles he's written that are footnoted. He has some very good sources too. I find him absolutely solid.

He's French btw.

 

Indeed, and to attempt to understand what drives terrorism one must dig a little deeper than glib cliches-'they hate us for our freedoms'-neatly designed to trigger the patriotism Pavlovian response.

 

It's their education. It's really not a nuclear scienc. But for some weird reason the European elites have done absolutely nothing for the past 30 years to stop it. On the contrary, Saudis spread their Wahabi/Salafist fanatical teachings all over the continent. Nothing good can come out of it. It's got to bloody stop.

Saudi Arabia's Curriculum of Intolerance
https://www.freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/saudi-arabias-curriculum-intolerance

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque
https://vimeo.com/19598947

 

He's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing conspiracy theorist and his article did not contain one fact or piece of evidence, his citations were to himself, his article wasn't even a circle jerk with other nut jobs it was an exercise in mental masturbation.

 

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They hate us for our secularism and liberal democracy, everything else is just an excuse used by the anti-Semitic, misogynistic, homophobic, and theocratic reprobates to kill innocent civilians in cold blood. MOD EDIT - Rule 6

 

You believe we are still 'liberal democracies?' I don't think they do. Indeed I have read that one of their interests is in seeing just how hypocritical that theme is.

They are no more antisemite than they are every other religion and none, who will not immediately become a Muslim. Death to all. That is ISIS. These groups do differ.

Those who do not understand their enemy are usually defeated.

Although certainly Al Qaeda began from teachings of extremist Muslim Brotherhood tortured in Arab jails or teaching in Saudia Arabia then financed and trained by the US in preference to democratic minded Afghans as the US believed that fanatics would fight longer and harder against the Soviets and not give up, which suited the US's desires. That is where they come from. A hard core group of religious extremists whose views got worse as they suffered torture for them.

The Taliban of course mainly Afghan child refugees lacking basic education but educated only to an extreme Wahhabi by the Saudis during the above war. Those brainwashed as children in this way will be unlikely not to think Islam extremism is anything but correct and 'god's way'

As to why people now join them. That is a completely different question and one which for a long time the West went by your view but did not investigate. Recent research in the US suggests that what motivates people to join such movements now tends to be more political. Some may be Salafi and can find in their teachings an excuse but many have not much knowledge of Islam. Britain arrested two who went off on the plane with Islam for Dummies as their reading material.

Here is some material on research in Africa. You will find that although religion may have a part in recruitment it is generally not the major part. Research has found in the West that those who join tend to not have a sense of belonging. Among other things they are finding that those who join in Africa tend to be middle children who, as research shows, have far less sense of belonging.

Here is an exert

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/extremism-kenya-somalia-research

Since the 'war on terrorism' began the numbers of 'terrorists' have risen exponentially. We do need to understand what is going on and develop new ways of dealing with it. At the moment it is kill one and ten arrive in their place.

 

You're on ignore, my friend...

 

Laaughable nonsense, we were attacking them for most of that time too. And that is not the solution I proposed, if you want to talk with adults try and show some maturity.

 

This open unbridled hatred coming from a Jew, lets us know who is the driving force of destruction in the M.E.

 

Try doing it for 60 years see how they feel then. And totally different situations anyway, no comparison whatsoever.

 

huge comparison. research japan a bomb and carpet bombing. come back next time educated.

 

A muslim dares accuse someone ---anyone---of hatred??????? bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

Perhaps we should just all convert to Islam....would that make you happy? Or perhaps we need to kill more of them......take your choice.

Bush got us going down the wrong road to begin with.....his pc declaration of war on 'terrorism'....the most laughable action of a President in recent history......all it did was coinfuse the masses....not understanding that 'terrorism' is just a tactic of war....when a nation is too fearful or too ignorant to understand who the enemy is ....do not expect anything resembling victory.

 

Exactlly.....or at the very least stop taking more in and sending all the ones the FBI is forced to monitor back where they came from.

 

Yeah cause I didn't already know about that. Its too nuanced for simple people to understand.

 

you could have it explained to you?

 

To deliver evidence when depending agency is not really confirming to exist officially is not easy ...
Give me a break and I will show you.

 

How you intend to assimilate them? Their loyalty is to the Islamic State. Most of the Europe's Muslims draw information and formulate opinions from Al-Jazeera, and 81% of its viewers support the Islamic State, and half of them supported bin-Laden. Europe already bent over backwards trying to assimilate to its Muslim migrants, and this only spawned more domestic terrorism.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

 

Okay, I don't think the following is off-topic here:

A Mideastern View of the Islamic State



A glorified gang: How extortion, sex slaves, drugs, and fear mongering gave birth to the un-Islamic State.

This site always refers to them as ”Daesh” and does its best to separate it from Islam. But it does provide a rather clear history of who and what IS is and how it got to where it currently is. Read the story @ http://www.albawaba.com/news/glorif...fear-mongering-gave-birth-un-islamic-state-77

 

95% of the people they murder are Muslims. Converting will not help you much

 

No see you don't live in Europe so have no idea what you're talking about. Al Jazeera is owned by our allies btw. 95% of them have successfully integrated, thats not a problem at all, they don't support bin Laden or IS. The problem is the illegal murderous anti-democratic foreign policy of the USA and UK, that's the problem.

 

Obviously the men who committed this act did not consider themselves French.

 

That may be, but what they weren't...was Syrian refugees.

 

We're talking technicalities here. I'm all for stripping all fifth columnists of their citizenship. Anyone who went to fight in the Middle East should be automatically stripped off the citizenship. Frankly, I'm shell shocked that none of European governments haven't put a similar law into practice so far. But that raises a question of Western governments facilitating very same Jihadists thinking they will be fighting our perceived enemies but not us.