An albatross around the neck of democrats

The SOFA was an Executive Agreement which is non-binding.

Too ignorant understand........just too arrogant to care.

 

SOFA's are of course binding. But what you guys keep ignoring is that the sovereign nation of Iraq no longer wanted us there. We couldn't stay there any longer.

 

The mission was accomplished, that is why that ship was headed back to the United States.

 

Lets discuss why Obama has failed to isolate and contain ISIS, hows that.

 

While I normally agree with you on most things, there are plenty of RINO's who will share in the
blame for not stopping it. Many in the House and Senate have voted for funding the crisis. The
Tea Party still has lots of work to do.

 

lol, no the mission wasn't accomplished. That's why we were still in Iraq for many more years after that photo op.

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how should he have isolated and contained them?

 

Oh yes, no matter who wins the next election, we won't be forgetting about Obama either way for a long long time. For some of those who dislike him, still feeling butthurt from all the attacks on Bush, that will be the golden era of the internet. With little more than a year left until he leaves office, I'm certain there are warehouses somewhere filled to the brim with boxes of Kleenex ready to go for the Obama haters. The memes are already being made and readied. Ann Coulter has probably scribbled up another book of nonsense to release around that time and really get the fires going.

OF day. Obama's Fault day. Jan 20th, 2017.

 

The mission, for that ship, was to finish it's tour of duty in the Theatre of combat.

When it finished it's tour of duty, it has accomplished it's mission.

Ships and their personnel don't stay for years and years until the war is over.

I guess you don't understand what the word "mission" means in this context.

 

It was certainly binding to the Iraqi government. We could not simply unilaterally decide to ignore it.

 

Not according to Barack Hussein Obama II. Obviously you have forgotten Obama's speech of Dec 14, 2011 when Obama proclaimed to the troops of Fort Bragg and America the following: "We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people." Was Obama lying then? Didn't Obama claim that al Qaeda was decimated while it was metastasizing itself into ISIS/ISIL? Obama has said at least thirty-two times “Thanks to sacrifice and service of our brave men and women in uniform, the war in Iraq is over, the war in Afghanistan is winding down, al Qaeda has been decimated, Osama bin Laden is dead.”

 

And he was lying.

 

lol, really? you want to pretend the whole "mission accomplished" was for that single ship? really?

 

I'm glad to read that you agree that Obama lied when he made those statements.

 

The agreement was signed by Bush jr and there was zero incentive or motivation for US troops to remain as targets in Iraq. Had they all been pulled out on his watch no one could blame Obama. All he did was complete the task started by Bush jr.

 

Not the first time I've done it in reply to you brining up that tired quote.

 

The OP topic is about who is to blame for ISIS and the facts all point to Bush jr.

 

Well, no doubt that the Syrian refugee problem was caused by American backing of anyone who would try to take out assad, and remove the last secular ruler in the middle east.

Of course, the USA did not create radical islam. But we created an environment for them to grow like a bunch of breeding rabbits. And we gave them a reason to exist. And we created the power vacuums in which they could flourish. And we created this either out of utter stupidity, or a neocon scheme to take out 7 nations in that neck of the woods in 5 years. That explains Iraq, Syria, Libya, and the frothing at the bits to go after Iran militarily.

And yet too many americans want to act guiltless and so, so, innocent. LOL.

 

Obama would have been blamed for the Iraqi government prosecuting US troops for war crimes. It is always a lose-lose scenario with the extreme right.

 

The Obama administration didn't even try to reach a compromise. We were fighting them over there, now San Bernardino proves we will have to fight them over here. Good job!

 

Horse Hockey!

There was a reason to stay a while more. Bush even warned Obama not to pull out too soon.

Obama WAS warned........Just too ignorant to listen and just too arrogant to care.

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As already posted: The Obama administration didn't even try to reach a compromise.

 

So Obama would not have been blamed for allowing the Iraqi government to prosecute US troops in Iraq for "war crimes"? Is that the "compromise" that would have been acceptable to the extremist rightwingers?

 

wait, SB shooters were Iraqi?

 

What part of: The Obama administration didn't even try to reach a compromise. Don't you understand?

 

Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[69]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[69]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani’s compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[69]

 

Facts prove that the Obama administration did try to reach a compromise.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/james-franklin-jeffrey-behind-the-u-s-withdrawal-from-iraq-1414972705

It was the Iraqi government that refused to compromise but not for any lack of trying on the part of the Obama administration.