An albatross around the neck of democrats

I am once again at a loss as to how youtube videos which don't show Obama facilitating other countries invasions in any way helps you support yet another baseless claim you've been caught making?

 

I think I disputed your "facts" pretty darn well, thank you!

 

You are entitled to your opinion but nothing in your posts disputed any of the facts whatsoever.

The facts about Bush jr all still stand undisputed.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...tary-official-says-george-w-bush-created-isis

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/07/03/isis-george-w-bush-barack-obama-342613.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...sh-says-isis-didnt-exist-when-my-brother-was/

 

Oh, cause I know you wont believe anything I say, so I posted a video of the words coming right outta obamas mouth, and then a second video showing the results, of obamas facilitation of a terrorist take over of Libya.

 

1. Flashback: Senator Obama pushed bill that helped destroy more than 15,000 TONS of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine

2.
[video=youtube;96fpF84catw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96fpF84catw[/video]
[video=youtube;bbqf27GIkaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbqf27GIkaw[/video]

3. The US Is Openly Sending Heavy Weapons From Libya To Syrian Rebels

Its a benefit to the EU because the plan involves building oil and natural gas pipelines from Saudi Arabia, through Turkey, into the EU, in direct competition with Russian supplies. Migrant Crisis & Syria War Fueled By Competing Gas Pipelines

 

had Bush not attacked Iraq, ISIS would not of taken it over

we could not afford to be Iraq's personal private army forever

Bush should of stuck with Afghanistan, what a idiot

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Specious claims at best.

The former assumes that Obama had a crystal ball and could foresee that Russia would invade Ukraine several years later.

The latter is pure speculation without any independent credible substantiation provided. Furthermore it was originally posted in 2012 and nothing has subsequently turned up to corroborate it.

Neither of those two articles supports your claim about "facilitation" nor any "motivation" to "benefit" the EU.

 

Na, its much much more than that.

Obama and pals convinced ukraine to give up their weapons for a promise of American protection, and those weapons were sold to libya. After the libyan invasion those weapons, and the rest of kaddafis stock pile were transported along with obama backed terrorists to turkey and syria. Point 1. is directly related to point 2. and point 3.

Russia didnt invade Ukraine. In order to believe the medias claim youre forced to believe neo-nazis started a coup to remove a democratically elected ukrainian president in order replace him with unelected jewish oligarchs. Thats just stupid.

Its really simple logic.

 

Except once again you post (*)(*)(*)(*) that in no way supports the claim that was made.

 

The only people on the planet who think it's absurd are the small minority of American right wing talk radio types. The rest of the world takes it as a given.

Not only that, but every prominent military and foreign policy expert, most foreign ministers and the world leaders of every major country thought Bush's scheme to invade Iraq was reckless, doomed to quagmire and failure (particularly the way he went about it) and predicted this as a worst case outcome.

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There are no shortage of articles talking about the Sunni awakening or the insurgency, which was underway before the summer of 2003 was out, and morphed into ISIS.

Don't even waste our time by trying to pretend otherwise.

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Or, more accurately, the United States cannot afford to maintain a colony of 40 million subjects in the Middle East, particularly in the face of a constant guerilla uprising and hostility from the global community and all of Iraq's neighbors.

George W Bush did not sell his splendid little war by telling people that we were going to occupy Iraq indefinately. Yet conservatives are now blaming Obama for not doing so.

 

Question: If only right wing talk radio types understand ISIS was formed in 1999, is Wikipedia right wing talk radio?

And my biggest question is, why did you avoid my questions about Obama like the plague?
There are 3 simple questions you wanted nothing to do with, why's that?
Here they are again.

1. Please explain why we've never heard of ISIS until a couple of years ago?

2. Can you also explain why just last year Obama called them a "jayvee team" then told the world they were contained a week before ISIS murdered 130 people in Paris?

3. If Bush created ISIS, then that means we had another Commander in Chief for 7 years to isolate or defeat them, what does that say for Obama?

 

Lots of speculation with no credible substance.

Where did Obama "promise American protection" to Ukraine?

The 2012 article about the weapons in Libya going to Syria is full of holes namely because there are no such weapons in the hands of the rebels fighting Assad (except for ISIS and they are using the weapons that Bush jr sent to Iraq when he illegally invaded).

So unless there is actual documented credible evidence of Obama making that "promise" to the Ukrainians, (which he couldn't do as a Senator anyway) and credible evidence that the Libyan weapons are in the hands of Syrian rebels this is all just a fabrication.

 

I provided you with links to the information your demanding.

If you refuse to read the proof I give you, why should i bother providing more proof, youll obviously ignore.

 

Said "proof" was debunked.

Failure to subsequently support a position is a de facto concession that it is baseless.

Have a nice day.

 

Heres more youll pretend doesnt exist...... Have fun playing pretend.....



“The West made us lose this war,” a Ukrainian official involved in discussions with the U.S. told BuzzFeed News recently, speaking on condition of anonymity. “They promised they would help our army, and then they stabbed us in the back,” he added, weeping slightly and tapping his fist on the table.

U.S. Hasn't Kept Ukraine Aid Promises
There’s a large gap between what the U.S. has promised in nonlethal military aid to Ukraine's armed forces and national guard and what it has actually delivered. As the U.S. promises to consider sending lethal aid to Ukraine, those delays and shortfalls are not only feeding frustration and disappointment, but also undermining the credibility of these new pledges.

Secretary of State John Kerry met with Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko on Thursday and pledged that the U.S. would stand by his government as it battles an increasingly aggressive separatist movement, heavily supported and armed by the Russian government. But according to the Obama administration’s own accounting to Congress, revealed in a document distributed on Capitol Hill in mid-December that I obtained, only half of the $118 million of nonlethal assistance pledged to Ukraine has so far been delivered.

“We keep making promises that aren’t fulfilled. We don’t think the administration’s promises are being kept,” Republican Senator Rob Portman, who together with Democratic Senator Richard Durbin leads a new caucus in the chamber organized to raise the profile of the Ukraine issue, told me in an interview. “The administration seems to want to stand by while the violence escalates and more people are killed.”

 

The partisan political expediency of this attack is utterly farcical.

It was Russia that violated the Budapest Memorandum but only Obama is to blame?

No one had even heard of Obama in 1994 when the Budapest Memorandum was originally signed.

What about the UK, China and France who were also signatories and gave assurances to Ukraine?

Where is the condemnation of the rightwing hero (Ras)Putin the Great?

Crickets?

 

Youre excuses and complete lack of any evidence dont justify the actions of obama and pals.

 

Didn't Ukraine choose to disarm.

 

Originally you were blaming Obama for inaction.

Here is the link to the Budapest Memorandum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

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Yes, nuclear disarm under the Budapest Agreement that Putin violated.

 

I wasnt referring to nuclear weapons. When obama went to Ukraine as a senator, he convinced them to give up their conventional weapons too, and Ukraine had no way of defending itself.

Read 1.

As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea.

In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site.

The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds.

After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.



1. Flashback: Senator Obama pushed bill that helped destroy more than 15,000 TONS of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine

2.
[video=youtube;96fpF84catw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96fpF84catw[/video]
[video=youtube;bbqf27GIkaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbqf27GIkaw[/video]

3. The US Is Openly Sending Heavy Weapons From Libya To Syrian Rebels

Its a benefit to the EU because the plan involves building oil and natural gas pipelines from Saudi Arabia, through Turkey, into the EU, in direct competition with Russian supplies. Migrant Crisis & Syria War Fueled By Competing Gas Pipelines

 

How foolish for Ukraine to disarm - itself. Especially given the history between Russia and Ukraine.

Is there any reason why sympathy for Ukraine should not be limited given scope of such a stupid decision?

 

Ukraine's inability to defend itself with conventional weapons had nothing whatsoever to do with Obama and everything to do with Ukraine failing to adequately fund and train their own military forces.

Reposting the debunked claim about Libyan arms doesn't alter the fact that it has already been debunked.

 

How about we get back to the title of this thread. Obama and the democrat will forever be blamed if even one of the hundred thousand muslims they want to import kills even one American. What a legacy for that idiot!!!!!

 

False, You never bothered to read any of links I gave you.

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I agree, it should be that way, but sadly democrats dont care, as long as they get obama phones and such.

 

Ironic!

I was able to debunk them because I read them and they made no sense whatsoever. You fallaciously allege that in 2012 the Obama admin was sending;

If they had those weapons they would have been able to take out Assad's aircraft. But that hasn't happened therefore they can't have those weapons, right?

And your disinformation is further debunked by articles like this one;

http://www.voanews.com/content/adva...yrian-rebels-despite-us-concerns/3023843.html

So even the Syrian rebels themselves are debunking your erroneous falsehoods about Obama.