So you consider forcing women to remain pregnant to be trivial .. no surprise there then. Got to love the pro-lifer usual method of misrepresentation. I seem you can't actually admit your inadequate historically knowledge so you change the subject, again nothing that was not expected. Isn't it amazing that you only cherry pick quotes when the suit you, usually the pieces you pick are used out of context, just like the one above as can be plainly seen when the rest of the article is read. During World War II the Nazis used sterilizations and abortions (also birth control and even the promotion of homosexuality) extensively in eastern Europe to carry out their eugenics policies. The specific aim was to keep eastern females available for slave labor while at the same time weakening eastern nations by hampering the reproduction of Slavic peoples.(29) - http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/air/air_vol16no1_2001.html In Nazi Germany, in 1943, providing an abortion to an "Aryan" woman became a capital offense. Abortion was permitted if the foetus was deformed or disabled - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SRn9qynS20kC&pg=PA27&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false & https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Tex-BuFgji0C&pg=PA152&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false The Nazi ideology was that the females body belonged to the state, and the State would decide what to do with it. The Nazis did not allow abortion for healthy "Aryan" German women, but demanded and forced abortion upon women deemed "unAryan" (i.e. Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc.) and "Aryan" German women who were thought to be feeble-minded, or have hereditary diseases. - Source : Abortion in the New Europe, p.114 "In both camps and ghettos, women were particularly vulnerable to beatings and rape. Pregnant Jewish women often tried to conceal their pregnancies or were forced to submit to abortions. " - Extract from Women during the Holocaust, released by United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, DC - http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005176 Here is a link even you will approve of - https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/f...be-remembered-as-a-nazi-crime-holocaust-panel - Historians have plumbed nearly every aspect of the Holocaust – but one needs further exploration, according to historians. The Nazis' crime of forced abortion and sterilization should be highlighted, studied, and used to understand modern totalitarian regimes, a panel of Holocaust historians said at a recent forum. “A lot of women’s experiences during the Holocaust had to do with the biology of being a woman – not only vulnerability of sexual violence but menstruation and childbirth and forced abortion and forced sterilization,” [said] historian Rochelle Saidel, the director of Remember the Women Institute June 26th 1935 - Nazis pass law allowing forced abortions on women to prevent them from passing on hereditary diseases. - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1399806/Timeline-of-the-Holocaust.html Here is another link you should approve of - http://www.conservapedia.com/Abortion_in_Nazi_Germany - "In Nazi Germany, abortion resulted in the death penalty for Aryan women, but was forced upon other "inferior" members of society. Abortion played a prominent part in Nazi eugenics, "cleansing" those seen as undesirable. The Nazis believed the woman's body belonged to the state, and they would decide whether a pregnancy would be carried out. Jews, Gypsies, and other groups would be killed if they did not carry out a state-mandated abortion. " As a side note, it is very interesting researching the Nazi ideology concerning women as a whole, there as so many similar things to the right-wing pro-life ideology concerning women it is quite astounding, for any one reading and interested (I don't include the person I am responding to ) here is an article produced by Alpha History that when read and compared to the things pro-lifers argue can be seen to be almost the same. just substitute Nazi for pro-life - http://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/women-in-nazi-germany/ Really having to scrape the barrel if you have to cite China, and of no relevance to my comment. Absolutely no relevance to the point I made, here you are just assuming the premise, another of those fallacies you are so found of. Please show ANYWHERE in that article that even comes close to saying the people forcing women to abort are pro-choice or anything to do with PP . .why oh why do you consistently have to move the goalposts and indulge in irrelevance? Wrong again, do you even read the things you link to? Very carefully read the title of the article, and then tell me what the 'EX' at the start means, furthermore your and lifenews are wilfully misrepresenting what Norman Fleishman said, as anyone with a mid-level English comprehension factor can see, here is the letter - http://napavalleyregister.com/news/...cle_5745ddc0-c243-11e0-8b1b-001cc4c002e0.html nowhere does Norman Fleishman support forced abortion in that letter, it is not even about abortion, it is about World population increasing .. this is a classic example of taking something on one subject and applying it to fit the already decided upon conclusion ie confirmation bias, misrepresentation and basically BS.
wow, what pro-life site did you pick that bumpers sticker from .. do you think it actually adds anything to the debate?
I do wish people would fact check there links and comments, China does not enforce abortion, it is actually illegal to force an abortion onto a woman in China .. The article, yet again, is attempting to compare apples to oranges, there is no issue with a group supporting a one child policy, no where are they supporting forced abortion.. the article and the Representative are just indulging in a guilt by association fallacy. Forced abortions are a violation of Chinese law and are not official policy .. however .. I have no doubt that they do happen, just as in any other country, and personally I do not support a woman being forced to abort OR being forced to remain pregnant .. pro-lifers are of the same mind set as those who force abortions on women, they want to force them to remain pregnant, what ever way you look at it both of them advocate using force.
Life sh-ite news again The very fact that they misrepresent Sanger shows their dishonesty. I'd like to see the full article and not just the quote cherry picked.
Strangely the pro-life fetal pain poster boy, "Dr." Anand actually stated that the fetus should be injected with heart stopping drugs prior to an abortion .. though you won't see a pro-lifer quoting that from his comments.
C,mon OKgrannie you are spouting nonsense. You want to compare the costs of pre-natal care, delivery, and post-natal care - which involves many doctor visits - with abortion, which I just read lasts about 10 minutes?! How many abortions could an abortionist commit in the time a doctor spends giving pre-natal care, delivery, and post-natal care? Non-profit is a bit a misnomer. Non-profits can certainly work to maximize their income. http://www.ehow.com/info_7924799_can-nonprofit-organization-make-profit.html What? Delivering a baby often takes hours. You need to provide unbiased links to support your assertions. Quote from my link: In 2003, an ACS/AMA (American College of Surgeons, American Medical Association) had a meeting which was chaired by LaMar S. McGinnis, Jr., MD, FACS, of the ACS and Clair Callan, MD, of the AMA. The participants unanimously came to the conclusion that: “Physicians performing office-based surgery must have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, a transfer agreement with another physician who has admitting privileges at a nearby hospital, or maintain an emergency transfer agreement with a nearby hospital.” Consider: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/17/studies-birth-control-contraception-dont-cut-abortions/ http://www.lifenews.com/2014/04/16/...enthood-director-says-it-has-abortion-quotas/ http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/02/had-a-lot-of-abortions-planned-parenthood-is-giving-out-awards/ Another reason abortions are dropping: http://www.lifenews.com/2014/01/07/...be-around-long-if-young-americans-have-a-say/ OMG! We already discussed this. Some states fund abortion. PP receives millions from the federal government though not for abortion. http://afterabortion.org/2012/abort...tions-abortion-dangers-abortion-side-effects/
This is a lie Fugazi. Government officials forcing women: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/27/w...-abortion-case-still-under-pressure.html?_r=0 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/china-forced-abortion_n_4044446.html Fugazi, do you support the one baby policy?
Sure the Nazis forced women to get abortions (just like your pro-abortion allies in China) at some times in some places - but at other times and places they were "pro-choice" just like you. Both policies had the same goal: reducing the numbers of the "unfit". Not really: http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=11348 Don't Chinese people count?
More likely doctors go into the profession to save people not tear them apart. Fleishman was clearly supporting China's brutal policy. He said: "Unless we act (this legislation, along with China’s “one child” policy, is a start), the world is doomed to strangle..."
Abortionists are often the dregs of the medical profession. And sometimes they are not even doctors: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/09/24/california-no-doctors-license-needed-to-do-abortions-now/ And the abortion industry pretends to care about women's health!
From Salon's source: However, others have proposed that thalamocortical connections could also be established indirectly if thalamic afferents were to synapse on subplate neurons, which could synapse on cortical plate neurons.29 The subplate is a transient fetal structure 1 layer deep to the cortical plate and serves as a “waiting compartment” for various afferents, including thalamic afferents, en route to the cortical plate.16,29,30 Thanks to DonGlock26 for pointing this out. And Dr. Anne Davis is an abortionist working for a pro-abortion organization.
What's fun is you can use LIEsite news and all your other Anti-Woman site links but the fact remains that women decide if they are going to have an abortion, not you Anti-Choicers can pretend they are soooooooo concerned about some mythical fetal pain but since their whole agenda is to make women feel as much pain as possible that "concern" rings very hollow....
Certainly, that is why delivering babies is much more profitable than abortion. No, non-profit is NO profit. Simple. Maximizing the income for a non-profit means also maximizing the outgo. And sometimes as little as a few minutes. An uncomplicated delivery. I know this from experience, btw. Until you can find unbiased sites to support your assertions, our discussion is at a standstill.
Only the fetus knows for sure. I understand the feelings behind protecting a poor, defenseless unborn baby. You feel righteous. You will never be able to prevent an abortion. Never! If you are going to expend efforts to prevent pain, suffering, and death, there are many things you can do that will actually help.
Can you explain what you quoted or are you just parroting it because it fits your anti-rights agenda?
I do wish you would stop cherry picking other people's comments, it is a very dishonest thing to do, and only diminishes your already low credibility. The fact of the matter is that under Chinese law forced abortion is illegal ... but as I stated in my full response I have no doubt that it occurs, just as it probably occurs in every other country. .. is it right... absolutely not, just as it is not right to force a woman to remain pregnant, which is what you advocate is it not? -anyone care to bet you ignore that question? No I don't support China's one child policy .. however I understand why it was brought in, do you? I don't support ANY government that forces a woman to abort OR to remain pregnant.
Oh just stop with the pathetic childish attempts at insults, I have no "pro-abortion" allies anywhere let alone China simply because I am not pro-abortion, if all you have to offer is lies then you really don't have anything. I guess you didn't bother to read the things from the links, forced abortion was one of the tools used in Nazi Germany to decimate the people they considered unfit, and I notice how you wilfully side-stepped the fact that the Nazi's forced pregnancy onto women as well .. just like what Pro-lifers advocate. There is no comparison at all between pro-choice and the forced abortion or forced pregnancy ideology in Nazi Germany, pro-lifers cannot claim the same without lying through their teeth. The Nazi government believed that women were property of the state and that only they could decide whether a woman could remain pregnant or not, due to their assumption that women were incapable of making an intelligent decision i.e. they needed to be protected from themselves ... pro-lifers believe the government should decide that a woman should remain pregnant because, as many pro-lifers here have stated, women need protecting from their "bad decision" to have an abortion and that is just one example of how pro-lifers ideology and the Nazi ideology hold hands. In the context of this debate not really.
If you have to ask that question you shouldn't be engaging in an abortion debate as all it shows is you complete lack of intellectual capability. Just so you cannot claim my source is biased here is a pro-life one - "with the aid of the ultrasound to guide the abortionist, a lethal dose of the heart medication Digoxin is injected into the babys heart or into the amniotic fluid directly through the womans abdomen. (Potassium chloride is infrequently substituted for Digoxin.) Digoxin gives the baby a fatal heart attack." - http://www.operationrescue.org/about-abortion/late-term-abortion/
Harassment is a major factor, as is the lack of training. As I said and your quote proves he was supporting their one child policy, not the lie you posted of supporting forced abortion.
They are better trained than their peers who have no training in abortion procedure, pity those women who turn up at a hospital and the only option is for an abortion to save her life only to be told that no doctor knows how to perform one. I bet you would feel really pleased with yourself if a few more of those "harlots" died.
