Fetal Pain

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Anansi the Spider, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    SOME state governments through medicaid ONLY fund a few more abortions than mandated by the federal government, but it is still VERY LIMITED, and only medicaid patients are funded.

    And it's time for the trend to change. Some signs of that are the SC denied the anti-abortion Arkansas law. People are now asking for an end to the Hyde Amendment and that will eventually come about.

    They have costs, but the payment for delivering a baby is much higher. They get paid for the entire pregnancy (assuming the woman seeks pre-natal care), the delivery itself, and post-natal care.
     
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    Fetal pain doesnt exist. Then why do babies move around for hours during saline abortions?
     
  3. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Ah I knew you had a manifesto somewhere. You are even more obsessed than I realized.

    You seem to feel an unborn baby makes a woman pregnant. You write: "Recognition of the fertilized ovum as an incompetent actor who makes a woman pregnant". I think normal people recognize a women having sex with a man causes pregnancy.

    So somehow a helpless vulnerable unborn baby becomes in your twisted imagination some sort of killing machine! Of course that is completely insane.

    The funniest part is that you seem to think you are some kind of legal scholar and your nonsensical "reasoning" ought to be taken seriously.

    I don't know why you devote so much of your life to these laughable justifications for the murder of near-infants.
     
  4. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    You said "of course" it is racist to decimate people of color. The abortion industry decimates people of color as the CDC figures show. Therefore the abortion industry is racist.

    Glad we got that settled.

    We disagree regarding intention, but we seem to agree that the abortion industry objectively acts in the interests of racists.
     
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    JoakimFlorence Banned

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    Fetuses can feel a lot more than the cold hard calloused hearts of pro-choicers can.


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  6. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    I know you prefer getting your information from various far left sources and the abortion industry itself. Because you've grown to love your intellectual straitjacket.
     
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    The abortion industry tells women exactly what they want to hear.
     
  8. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If a minority is being deliberately decimated because of race, that's racism. The number of minority abortions is not controlled by the "abortion industry", it is controlled by individual women making individual choices. No minority community has been decimated, anyone can look around and see plenty of people of any or all colors. Minority women have the same right to to the same choices as the majority community.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you, Fugazi, for those specifics regarding state funded abortions. I feel I must emphasize that those are only paid for medicaid patients. Neither Planned Parenthood nor any other abortion provider is getting wealthy from government funded abortions.
     
  10. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I suggest you research what pain is before stating things you have no idea about.

    I'll give you a clue ... reflex.
     
  11. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I'm sorry you don't have the intellectually capability to to know the difference between a manifesto and an intelligent argument. Here let me educate you

    Manifesto - a public declaration of policy and aims, especially one issued before an election by a political party or candidate.

    Nope, read a biology book, pregnancy does not start until the fertilized ovum has implanted into the uterine wall. That and only that is the cause of pregnancy. The only entity that can turn a non-pregnant woman into a pregnant one is a fertilized ovum.

    Funniest of all is that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you pluck sh-it out of the air in the mindless belief it actually means something.

    If, as you say, I indulge in nonsensical reasoning then you should have no problem refuting everyone of the arguments I use .. of course you will have all the legal requirements to show that the laws I cited and linked to are wrong, as well as all the biological requirements to refute.

    I won't be holding my breath for any intelligent response from you as it is plain to see you simply do not comprehend anything.
     
  12. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I suggest you look up a false comparison fallacy .. here let me help you out

    http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/97-faulty-comparison

    false comparison - Comparing one thing to another that is really not related, in order to make one thing look more or less desirable than it really is.

    and no PP are not racist.

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol: oh the irony .. most of my source as unbiased, prove otherwise.

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    no problem Grannie.
     
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    You have to prove that minority women were forced to get abortions and they weren't so you have no proof of racism.

    The only racism I see is those who don't think minority women should be allowed abortions like white women are ...and that would be you.
     
  14. Anansi the Spider

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    The industry lies to women. Women feel victimized by the abortion industry. Often women only get an abortion because they are worried about money. These women are victimized twice - once by elites on the right and left who keep working people down and again by the abortion industry which takes advantage of these women.

    Abortion hasn't killed all minorities, but abortion has killed millions. Do we pat Pol Pot on the back because he didn't kill all Cambodians? You've seen the chart from the CDC which shows the high number of black people eliminated by abortion. If you care about the truth you'll admit your error.

    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tnumber-live-births-NYCs-black-community.html
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    The Nazis were condemned at the Nuremberg trials for using abortion to reduce the conquered Slavic population.

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-17-46.asp

    Liberals elites are to the underclass as Nazis are to Slavs.
     
  16. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Goodwin law, Instant failure of the poster.

    And yet again you are showing your intellectual immaturity, the Nazi's have more in common with pro-lifers than pro-choicers as they forced both abortion and pregnancy onto females - abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany for "Aran" females. Not a single pro-choice person or PP are advocating that women be forced to abort, unlike pro-lifers who DO advocate forcing women to remain pregnant. Pro-lifers have more in common with the Nazi ideology concerning females than ANY pro-choicer.

    Learn some history.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    If we were discussing a trivial aspect of Nazism you might have a point, but killing off the untermenschen was a central element of Nazi ideology, just as killing off undesirables and near-infants is a central element of your ideology.

    Is torturing to death near-infants a sign of maturity??

    As usual you are ill-informed.

    Quote from Dr. John Hunt: In 1938 the government announced that Jews could have abortions at any time, since this could only benefit the German people.(28 ) The Jews, as well as "unfit" Germans, had a "choice" most Germans did not. This meant that the Nazis saw abortion as a very useful weapon against undesirables; e.g. as an act of elimination.

    Link: http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/air/air_vol16no1_2001.html

    The pro-abortion movement is delighted by forced abortions!

    http://news.yahoo.com/forced-aborti...vbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM4BHZ0aWQDQjExNjBfMQRzZWMDc3I-

    Forced abortions in the U.S.: http://afterabortion.org/2004/new-elliot-institute-report-exposed-americas-forced-abortion-crisis/

    PP & China: http://www.lifenews.com/2011/08/10/ex-planned-parenthood-director-praises-chinas-one-child-policy/
     
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    Quote: One reason why abortions are so high among African-American teenagers is because social workers and counselors sometimes push abortion as a solution to their pregnancies. According to Janet Hadley, a pro-choice feminist:

    Among medical professionals and social workers, teenagers are perhaps most likely to encounter people with more liberal views about abortion, and to find themselves on the defensive if they are determined to continue their pregnancies… pregnant women whose cultures or circumstances do not fit … are disapproved of as candidates for motherhood. Tacit disapproval – urging the woman towards abortion and, if she insists on keeping the pregnancy, castigating her for her “irrational” selfishness[.] … Black teenagers, in particular, are singled out by the medical and social work profession as “problem parents[.]” … [O]utright coercion or bullying is hard to prove, but, undoubtedly, young mothers, poor mothers, and above all poor young black mothers are being hustled towards abortion with no respect for their “right to choose.”

    Link: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-racist-underpinnings-of-the-abortion-movement
     
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    But is each one of those pre-natal/post-natal visits especially profitable?

    Most doctors don't want to kill unborn babies. A low supply of doctors means more money for the abortionist.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please note the figures below are from 2010, and are likely higher today. Compare $30,000 for an uncomplicated birth to $600-700 for abortion, and guess which doctor is making more. It should be expected that a doctor would do both abortion and delivery.

    http://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/pregnancy-costs/

    While maternity expenses for insured moms might seem high, the numbers are far higher if you have no insurance at all. The Truven Report put the uninsured cost of having a baby at anywhere from $30,000 for an uncomplicated vaginal birth to $50,000 for a C-section. And those prices have increased dramatically in the last four years. According to the National Partnership for Women & Families, the cost of having a baby increased 50 percent between 2004 and 2010, and they’ve likely increased since then.
     
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    Those estimates are for the costs of having a baby, not just a delivery.

    Anyway I'm talking about profit not price.

    How expensive is it for the hospital/doctor to deliver a baby, how long does it take? Compare that to the expense/time for the abortionist to kill a baby.

    Remember abortionists try to scrimp on care even if that means endangering the women's health.

    http://www.nationalrighttolifenews....linics-being-treated-unfairly-2/#.Vqmdt6Qo7IU

    To maximize profits the abortion industry needs:

    1) More government funding

    2) More profit per abortion

    3) Fewer safeguards for women

    4) More abortions
     
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    Cost estimates should include pre-natal care, delivery, and post-natal care.

    The largest abortion provider in this country, PP, is NON-profit. Of course, doctors' salaries are an expense, not a profit. Most hospitals are also non-profit.

    Baby delivery time varies. An uncomplicated delivery (estimated cost 6 years ago: $30,000) should take about as much time as an abortion.

    You need to provide an unbiased link to support that assertion.

    The largest abortion provider tries to minimize the number of abortions by providing birth control and education, is non-profit, does not receive government funding for abortion, and has a good record for abortion safety (abortion is fourteen times safer than childbirth).
     
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    Another good reason for Obamacare. Without health insurance having a baby could bankrupt anyone who could not afford the delivery.

    Since the advent of Obamacare more women have healthcare insurance so they won't have to opt for abortion if they can't afford the pre-natal, birth and post-natal expenses.

    Once again it baffles the mind why the anti-rightists are so opposed to Obamacare when it can help reduce the incidence of abortions nationwide.
     
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    Not once have you proven that PP makes any profit whatsoever from abortions.
     

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