Science Reconsidered

Discussion in 'Science' started by Moi621, Oct 2, 2014.

  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    http://news.yahoo.com/why-did-ancient-europeans-just-disappear-14-500-162246814.html

    Why Did Ancient Europeans
    Just Disappear 14,500 Years Ago?​


    "Basically all modern humans outside of Africa, from Europe to the tip of South America, they belong to these two super-haplogroups that are M or N," Posth said. Nowadays, everyone of European descent has the N mitochondrial haplotype, while the M subtype is common throughout Asia and Australasia.

    The team found that in ancient people, the M haplogroup predominated until about 14,500 years ago, when it mysteriously and suddenly vanished. The M haplotype carried by the ancient Europeans, which no longer exists in Europe today, shared a common ancestor with modern-day M-haplotype carriers around 50,000 years ago.


    Then around 14,500 years ago, the temperature spiked significantly, the tundra gave way to forest and many iconic beasts, such as woolly mammoths and saber-toothed tigers, disappeared from Eurasia, he said.

    For whatever reason, the already small populations belonging to the M haplogroup were not able to survive these changes in their habitat, and a new population, carrying the N subtype, replaced the M-group ice-age holdout, the researchers speculate.


    Moi :oldman:
    And for a good time, look up haplogroup
    Male Y Chromosome A00 (A, Zero, Zero)


    r > g


    View attachment 41413
    Sometimes its' just an ativism
    An atavism is an evolutionary throwback, such as traits reappearing which had disappeared generations before.
     
  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/asian-origin-human-ancestors

    An Asian Origin for Human Ancestors?​


    Jun. 4, 2012 , 3:04 PM

    Researchers agree that our immediate ancestors, the upright walking apes, arose in Africa. But the discovery of a new primate that lived about 37 million years ago in the ancient swamplands of Myanmar bolsters the idea that the deep primate family tree that gave rise to humans is rooted in Asia. If true, the discovery suggests that the ancestors of all monkeys, apes, and humans—known as the anthropoids—arose in Asia and made the arduous journey to the island continent of Africa almost 40 million years ago.

    Until 18 years ago, fossils of every suspected early anthropoid were found in Egypt and dated to about 30 million years ago. Then, starting in the 1990s, researchers began discovering the remains of petite primates that lived 37 million to 45 million years ago in China, Myanmar, and other Asian nations. This suggested that anthropoids may have actually arisen in Asia and then migrated to Africa a few million years later. But paleontologists have lacked the fossils to show when and how these anthropoids trekked from Asia to Africa, says paleontologist K. Christopher Beard of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.


    Highly Recommended :clapping:
    PBS
    First Peoples
    Bravo Multi Foci Evolution.
    The most hybridized wins.
    Can't Hybridize, die out.
    Continuity through continuous hybridization
    Quest for Fire (1981) show it well.​



    Moi :oldman:


    r > g

    View attachment 41415
    Deus vult!​
     
  3. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    That shows agrees that all Asian's and all people originated out of Africa.

    Our ancient human ancestors first evolved from Tree Dwellers to Bi-Ped's in Africa when Climate Change eliminated a huge area of Human dwelling Rain Forest and it became hot and dry Savannah.

    AA
     
  4. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Hmmm,...
    This kabbalah was referring to what was written down by the Psychologists in their text book, the DSM:

    American Psychiatric Association[/]

    Cluster A (odd or eccentric disorders)

    1) Paranoid personality disorder: characterized by a pattern of irrational suspicion and mistrust of others, interpreting motivations as malevolent.

    2) Schizoid personality disorder: lack of interest and detachment from social relationships, apathy, and restricted emotional expression.

    3)Schizotypal personality disorder: a pattern of extreme discomfort interacting socially, and distorted cognitions and perceptions.

    Cluster B (dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders)

    4) Antisocial personality disorder: a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, lack of empathy, bloated self-image,

    5) manipulative and impulsive behavior.

    6) Borderline personality disorder: pervasive pattern of instability in relationships, self-image, identity, behavior and affects often leading to self-harm and impulsivity.

    7) Histrionic personality disorder: pervasive pattern of attention-seeking behavior and excessive emotions.

    8) Narcissistic personality disorder: a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.

    Cluster C (anxious or fearful disorders)

    9) Avoidant personality disorder: pervasive feelings of social inhibition and inadequacy, extreme sensitivity to negative evaluation.

    10) Dependent personality disorder: pervasive psychological need to be cared for by other people.

    11) Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder: characterized by rigid conformity to rules, perfectionism, and control to the point of satisfaction and exclusion of leisurely activities and friendships (not the same as and quite different from obsessive-compulsive disorder).

    12) Other personality disorders



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder
     
  5. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Try watch the show again!&!


    And enjoy this video if you dare
    [video=youtube;iVO353o_UZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVO353o_UZM[/video]​

    There is that prehistoric fire pit in China that is pre YOUR modern man.
    What's modern man if not the control of fire.
    And they evolved there in China. With flattening cheek bones too. My guess is a broader
    face & sexual selection as opposed to a narrow monkey face. Less hairy and less smelly too.

    AboveAlpha, please put your evaporative cooling cap on before you ponder the above :roflol:
    81941_1000x1000.jpg



    Moi :oldman:
    Man Made Terms do NOT = Truthiness
    ie. Modern Man.
    And Support Your Local Graviton! ​



    r > g


    View attachment 41427
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
  6. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83


    Those who write books on Personality Types and types of Crazy spend way too much time in the Library and not enough time in the REAL WORLD!!!

    You can't take 7 Billion people each with their own unique Genome and unique social, religious or not, physical, environmental and cultural surroundings and make up and then actually HAVE THE HUBRIS to think you can place them in a small number of Categories!!

    I am an example.....as although I am an Alpha Male in the Extreme I am also a FEMINIST.

    I also have no issues with Gay's although I wish they would stop hitting on me.....and I place the good of the general public above my own.

    Just that alone what I said does NOT place me into any one category and there is a lot more to my mental and physical makeup than I just detailed.

    AA

    - - - Updated - - -

    They very clearly state that the origins of the Human Race came out of Africa.

    I really don't see what you are trying to argue??

    AA
     
  7. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48

    I think most research finds that the mental illnesses are based upon a genetic tendency for each kind.
    And there are only a few religious choices available to us, many be a dozen or so:

    [​IMG]

    The idea that there are many different kinds of Paranoid Schizophrenia people, they are different about why and who hates them.

    But the research finds its validity supported by recent work such as Dr Gardners Multiple Intelligence Studies.
    Educators have eagerly applied what Gardner explains in the area of Learning Styles.

    1) Id = Intra-personal Intelligence = ...Lucifer?
    2) Libido = Kinesthetic Intelligence = ...Satan
    3) Ego = Inter-personal Intelligence =..Mammon
    4) Anima = Spatial Intelligence = .......Devil
    5) Self = Semantical Intelligence =......Beelzebub
    6) Superego = Logical/Mathematical Intelligence = ...False Prophet
    7) Harmony = Musical Intelligence = ...False shepherd
     
  8. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    That above is really crazy Dave.

    AA
     
  9. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48

    Maybe....

    It's just using Kabbalah to describe how whacky men think then,... or it's right.
    The ideas seem to parallel the same patterns.
    But what you said about Mathematics is interesting, too, because mathematics seems to utilize this same pattern of organization.
     
  10. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Human Consciousness and choice making occurs upon a Quantum Level thus Quantum Superposition.

    The regular math cannot take this into account.

    AA
     
  11. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No room for predestination.
    It is written.
    Choice is an illusion!



    Moi :oldman:
    Trapped in a physical world
    by a petulant demiurge.
    :steamed:

    r > g


    No
    Beaver-and-Canadian-flag.png
     
  12. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Why?
    Is there no "pattern" to the way we think bout the Quantum mechanics?

    [​IMG]
     
  13. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    How do you explain our response to Fear?

    Don't we, as humans, pause, and think instead of either fleeing or fighting?
    Isn't that pause our Free Willed opportunity to make all kinds of choices?


    Proverbs 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God, (who is Reality).
     
  14. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Or is Free Will, Choice, etc. just an illusion
    created by that petulant demiurge who trapped us to physical form?
     
  15. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
  16. uncouth

    uncouth Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2016
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    8
    I don't know why they call it proto Sumerian since one can't have influenced the other and they both show up near the same time.
     
  17. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Please explain if not expound.

    Really. I am not asking for references since one can reference anything
    I am asking for your idea, concepts. Gracias

    BTW
    In a way, as a model, I believe in Robert E. Howard's era between the sinking of Atlantis and the modern map.
    hyborianauctionmap.jpg HyborianAge03.jpg
    that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars - Nemedia, Ophir, Brythunia, Hyperborea, Zamora with its dark-haired women and towers of spider-haunted mystery, Zingara with its chivalry, Koth that bordered on the pastoral lands of Shem, Stygia with its shadow-guarded tombs, Hyrkania whose riders wore steel and silk and gold. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west.
    Then the Pillars of Hercules, Gibraltar, could no longer hold back the Atlantic ocean from the great
    Mediterranean Valley and Howard's map gets altered. The richest, lowland civilizations disappear.
    Edan at the confluence of the four rivers, likewise became the Persian Gulf.
    The Best of PeopleKind got flooded out and survivors knocked back to the stone age.
    The towns that provided metal works, etc. a couple hundred feet under water today.
    Was the end of the last glaciation, 10K years ago, "a good thing"?

    So who were the proto Sumerians
    and why are they undeserving of inclusion as Sumerian?


    Moi :oldman:
    Support Solutrean Theory
    because the evidence matches!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis

    r > g



    View attachment 41546
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
  18. uncouth

    uncouth Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2016
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    8
    It's not that one doesn't deserve to be proto-[the other], it's just that they're so far apart(on opposite sides of the globe) and, according to that article, that salad bowl or whatever it is, shows up about 200 years after the oldest known Sumerian writing, which appears, fully developed, around 3200BC(5200 years ago). That's assuming that that 5000-years-ago date given in the article was meant as relatively accurate.

    To the idea that the map really did look like that just 5000 years ago and the people moved with their skill (a very expensive skill that took half a lifetime to learn) across all that land that way, I'd have to ask why it didn't sow up in Egypt, which they'd have to have crossed to get from South America to Sumer (or the other way). Writing does show up in Egypt shortly after it does in Sumer, but it doesn't look like Sumerian Cuneiform.

    The writing on that bowl does look like Sumerian Cuneiform, which I can't read and, so, couldn't tell you for sure that it isn't some variation of. It could be that the similar appearance is simply due to both having been done by the same method (marks in wet clay made by a wedge-shaped stick). If turned out that they are the same language or that one seems to have influenced the other, and that it really is that old, I'd suspect that that bowl didn't really originate in South America, but was brought there by Europeans and found again later by someone who didn't really know its origins.
     
  19. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Obviously it took BILLIONS of years for the Earths continents to exist as they do.

    In fact there are many one time existing Continents they have been lost to Tectonic Plate Subduction.

    One day many millions of years from now North America will have been completely subducted under the Pacific Plate.

    This is because the North American Plate is sliding under or being SUBDUCTED under the Pacific Plate located throughout California.

    Funny thing is people used to think that California would break off and sink into the Ocean....when in fact what would happen is California Est of the Fault Lines along with some of Arizona...some day ALL or Arizona....will slide UNDER the very Western Edge West of the Fault Line all down the length of California.

    AA
     
  20. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Does the demiurge make the actual choices then, whether fight or flee, or whether we wait and learn more about Reality?
    And as we learn more about Reality, does it tell us important things we can use for better existence?
    Does the demiurge work for Truth???
     
  21. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Start studying.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge :)
     
  22. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    More evidence of H. erectus hybridization!​


    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2080549-oldest-ever-human-genome-sequence-may-rewrite-human-history/

    Oldest ever human genome sequence
    may rewrite human history

    psst, Denisovans are Neanderthal / H.erectus hybrids!

    "The fossils look like they come from ancestors of the Neanderthals, which evolved some 100,000 years later. But a 2013 study found that their mitochondrial DNA is more similar to that of Denisovans (see video, below), who also lived later and thousands of kilometres away, in southern Siberia. . . ."


    PeopleKind are the product of the most hybridized.
    Consider - is the above why Sub Saharan Africans with more genetic diversity than North of the Sahara
    but lacking Neanderthal and other hybridization just don't "make it"
    when confronted by cultures that are truly, more hybridized? Oh My, How Un-P.C.

    Chime in!

    I look forward to an H. erectus genome sequences so I can :nana: y'all :lol:
    To date those sequences are termed, "archaic human".​


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    View attachment 41694
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.

    Specifically, what part don't you get:?
     
  23. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Rather than start a new thread of, Science Hardly Considered
    I thought this could be tucked in, here.

    http://www.grindtv.com/nature/thousands-of-cobia-escape-pens-in-ecuador-why-scientists-are-worried/#Tzlu5bHtotyXRbId.97

    It sounds like science fiction: tens of thousands of voracious, fast-growing fish escape from ocean pens in a foreign environment and begin migrating up the coast, wreaking havoc on native fisheries.

    But this is really happening, as thousands of cobia, which are found in the Atlantic but unknown to the Eastern Pacific, were accidentally released from an Ecuadorian aquaculture facility during late summer.

    They’ve since been detected off Colombia and Panama, and at least one scientist believes the “rogue” fish are headed to California, with potentially “horrifying” consequences.

    The cobia have been migrating north at a rate of about 200 miles per month, according to UC Santa Barbara research biologist, Milton Love.

    Cobia, which can measure 6 feet and weigh about 100 pounds, prey on crabs, fish and squid. They’re also known to follow sharks and other large predators to scavenge on what they kill.

    The cobia being reared off Ecuador were in netted pens that somehow broke open. Those fish are now considered invasive, and their potential impact remains unknown.



    How lacking in Science are aquafarms with any connection to a natural body of water
    other than a good distance to land and no possible drainage into the river/lake/ocean.
    Yet, aquafarms and their foreign species or frankensalmon do exist without "scientific" concern
    until the ooopsy.

    Got Science?
    Profit Trumps! no not the Donald


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g



    View attachment 41790
    Cobia are related to remoras or shark-suckers,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remora
    Remember, :flagcanada: is a remora on :flagus:
    How good can that be?

     
  24. lynnlynn

    lynnlynn New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2013
    Messages:
    1,890
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Maybe, an addition to the 10 Commandments should have said it is forbidden to move species from their native habitats.
     
  25. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I think they should have added a Commandment...#11...Thou shall not be an idiot.

    AA...p.s...not you...your OK.
     

Share This Page