Huffington Post: Hillary Email Probe Could Soon Be Another Clinton Scandal

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    WOW first the LA Times and Washington Post pile on and now even the HUFFINGTON POST is going after her an destroying the same arguments the defenders here keep using.

    Hillary Email Probe Could Soon Be Another Clinton Scandal

    The Hillary Clinton email probe is getting very close to becoming another full-blown Clinton scandal. David Shuster of Al Jazeera reported on March 30th that the FBI is arranging interviews with former State Department aides Philippe Reines, Former Clinton Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, and Clinton herself. Shuster also scooped that Justice Department prosecutors are joining the FBI team of investigators.

    Here are some things that need to be understood regarding this email probe based on what has been reported. The LA Times recently reported that interviews are being arranged for the FBI to speak to HRC associates. This infers that all the preliminary investigation into this matter has been done.

    The fact that subpoenas for interviews have been submitted and that one of HRC’s aides has been granted immunity means a grand jury exists to approve of the immunity and interviews.

    Weeks ago it was revealed that Bryan Pagliano, the person granted immunity failed to inform his employers at the State Deptartment that while in their employ he was also employed by HRC to manage her private email server. Persons who have been US prosecutors with knowledge of the laws regarding the Clinton server have stated that it was unlawful of Pagliano to not inform his government employers he was also privately working for Secretary Clinton.

    That he knew he was in violation because of this would be a strong motivation to cooperate with the FBI investigation. The crux of the case against HRC according to knowledgeable people of these laws have stated that the very existence of her private email server was a violation of law regarding national security.

    We know Clinton never used the .gov email account that was created for her. It is very important to understand that HRC as Secretary of State was one of ten members of the government that had the authority to make a document classified. Like all government employees at this level, HRC signed a document that clearly states she is responsible and accountable for information that is classified regardless of when it is given the status of classified. This cuts through the smokescreen of the defense that documents that went through HRC’s private server were later identified as classified and that is all she had done. She was expected by way of law to know which material by its inherent nature was deemed worthy of this classification. We know that at least 22 of her emails were not only classified but identified as SAP. Special Access Programs (SAP) are considered “highly classified” documents. It appears quite likely she broke national security laws during her time as Secretary of State.

    The big question is why did HRC not use a .gov email address and why did she only use her private server for ALL of her email correspondence. Her stated reason of “convenience” seems incomplete at best in terms of an answer when it is handling matters of national security.

    Yes, it was inconvenient for her to read all of her classified email from a secure laptop in a special room which disabled her blackberry, but how does that justify anything when it comes to national security. HRC was rebuffed when she requested of the NSA a secure blackberry similar to the one they made for President Obama that could not be hacked. A big reason why HRC could not bring her blackberry into the secure room is that hackers can take over a blackberry and turn it into a listening device. Her Secretary of State offices were located in such a room so that yes, this was inconvenient. It was deemed by the NSA too costly and time-consuming to create a second blackberry. It has been noted by the NSA that this was typical of the Clintons to believe they warranted special treatment above and beyond everyone else.

    An obvious reason for HRC to want to control all of her email by private server became readily apparent when after her time as Secretary of State individuals and organizations put in FOIA requests regarding her emails. The State Department ultimately came back with the response to these requests that there were no documents to be found. The State Department mislead the requesters by not informing them that they could not be found because they were not on a government server but a private server. This would indicate the possibility that some of her old employees were trying to protect her. These would probably be the same employees who did not think to question why their Secretary of State did not use a .gov email. Apparently HRC is such an intimidating figure that no one in government thought to question this matter of national security.

    In regards to access of her emails if she would have used a .gov email then not only FOIA requests were a concern for HRC but also the fact that thousands of individuals could have access to her emails. Given the Clintons penchant for scandals and their subsequent secrets it does not take any imagination to conclude why HRC only used a private server. She expected to have something to hide. The only reasonable conclusion to be made by all of this is that HRC prioritized her ability to keep secrets over the needs of national security. There is one particular area of interest that is being speculated she wanted to hide and might have been included in the 30K emails she destroyed. This is the matter of money donated to the Clinton Foundation by the same countries who got approved by Hillary’s State Department to buy U.S. arms. The book “Clinton Cash” covers this in detail and is being studied by the same FBI investigators that are investigating her emails.

    It is not shocking that HRC made this astoundingly bad extremely selfish decision to only use a private email server as Secretary of State when juxtaposed to past Clinton behavior. The biggest question this begs is whether she can be trusted as our next president to prioritize matters that put the interests of the country ahead of personal interests.

    President Obama and Loretta Lynch are very likely going to have a big decision to make regarding this matter. They of course do not want to deal with this but given how secrets have a way to getting to the media in DC this is certainly not something they will be able to shove under a rug even if they were tempted to. Most likely this hot potato will be passed on by them to a Special Counsel. Hopefully, once its obvious this is not going to go away easily that Hillary will withdraw from the nomination process for president. However, even though this would be the right thing to do, is it what Hillary will do? That is quite up in the air when there are three factors in their behavior that are quite consistent. They are very selfish, they fervently believe rules and laws do not apply to them, and they are totally committed to the pay to play practices that dominate US politics.

    Something to keep in mind if you really want to both understand this upside down election process and the Clintons is that understanding psychology is much more helpful than understanding standard politics. This election process is dominated by anger which usually leads to self-destructive behavior.

    The Clintons appear to have a somewhat unique strain of self-destructive behavior. They appear to have the same compulsive behavior as gamblers when it comes to the number and scope of secrets that get created connected to their lives. It is plausible both the Clintons and gamblers are caught in a similar vice of compulsive self-destructive behavior.

    The Clintons with their apparent need to be surrounded by the high stakes intrigue of secrets and gamblers craving high stakes action are quite possibly both feeling the same adrenaline rush. A gamblers addiction is based on the adrenaline high, gambling manufactures. As a voter one should ask themselves, do you really want to vote for someone to be the most powerful person on the planet who has exhibited consistently strong signs of self-destructive behavior?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-pappalardo/hillary-email-probe-could_b_9579826.html?
     
  2. Iron River

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    It's odd to me that o and Kerry are telling us that all the world leaders that they meet with are asking about the next elected or even nominated Trump and have never asked how much of the confidential discussions that they had with Hillary are now floating in the unsecured Cloud.
    Hillary will be the dem nominee but the rest of the world couldn't care less is she is letting our national security and theirs take a back seat to her convenience.

    Do you think that 0 and Kerry are black hearted liars??
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    And now comes the conspiracy

    Clinton aides unite on FBI legal strategy
    Four former staffers have been using the same lawyer during the investigation — suggesting they're not worried about

    "Four of Hillary Clinton’s closest aides appear to have adopted an unusual legal strategy, hiring the same ex-Justice Department attorney to represent them in the FBI’s investigation of Clinton's private email server.
    Beth Wilkinson, a well-connected former assistant U.S. attorney best known for prosecuting Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, is listed as representing three of Clinton’s top State Department staffers, according to a congressional letter obtained by POLITICO and dated Feb. 10. A fourth Clinton aide, Philippe Reines, is also represented by Wilkinson, according to sources familiar with their representation.
    Story Continued Below
    The united front suggests they plan to tell investigators the same story — although legal experts say the joint strategy presents its own risks, should the interests of the four aides begin to diverge as the probe moves ahead.


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-fbi-strategy-emails-221435#ixzz44ckB8L87
    Follow us: [MENTION=8433]politico[/MENTION] on Twitter | Politico on Facebook"

    Not worried but now trying to come up with a story together and make sure they are all on the same page, the famous Clinton strategy if everyone tells the same lie and they all stick to it then the investigators will never know and we all get off. Off course if one or two of the peons have to do some jail time so they can refuse to talk that'll be just fine with the Clinton's.


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-fbi-strategy-emails-221435#ixzz44cjzCoeY
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    I thought this thread would get more action. Could it be that when Huffpo sends up the smoke signaling trouble for Clinton, the liberals run and hide.
     
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    It's hard to believe Huff & Puff published the article. They must have finally developed a conscience.
     
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    My first thought is that they want to be the first to appear to be unbiased and concerned only with the truth.
    Further thought sez: "Nah!" They're just the first LSM rats to realize that the ship is sinking, and they want off.
     
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    That would be my guess.
     
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    Well... this isn't news to liberals. They just don't care... and Hillary is banking on that. They always have.
     
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    I'm a Liberal and I simply don't care. I support Sanders so I'm fine with Hillary being out of the election cycle.

    But the chances are that nothing is going to come of this. This whole thing will just hang out in the ether and Hillary will continue on unscathed.

    Bottom line, this won't stop any Liberals from voting for Hillary over any candidate from the GOP. If the nominee is trump, it becomes even simpler.

    Honestly, republicans have been after Clinton for years and years...nothing new here.
     
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    But this time democrats are going after her.
     
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    An obvious reason for HRC to want to control all of her email by private server became readily apparent when after her time as Secretary of State individuals and organizations put in FOIA requests regarding her emails. The State Department ultimately came back with the response to these requests that there were no documents to be found. The State Department mislead the requesters by not informing them that they could not be found because they were not on a government server but a private server.


    this is from the article and summarizes everything. Why would a noble like Hillary be accountable to peons anyway.
     
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    LOL @ thinking every liberal is a totally partisan angry person who's whole purpose in life is to get back at the GOP for imagined injustices.

    Hey, that reminds me of someone.
     
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    Doesn't matter...she'll probably still skate.
     
  14. Steve N

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    You're probably right.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How proud you must be.

    Must feel good to look down your nose at people who want to vote for someone who speaks their mind, unfiltered.
     
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    Are you referring to trump supporters?
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't hold your hand through the debate hon. Up your game. You were going to tell me how proud you are.
     
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    Yea ok...maybe you need to have another one of whatever you're drinking. You're incoherent.
     
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    Trump supporters are proud, whether you agree or disagree with his platform. None of you liberals have one good word to say about Hillary though. Other than your hystrical enraged bleating, lies and smear about Trump, you have nothing. No accomplishments, not during the last 8 years, not during the Clinton's 25 years in public service, no platform, no vision, nothing.
     
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    I like that you're proud of trump...it makes the whole thing that much funnier.

    You go ahead and keep cheering for him....don't stop.
     
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    Yep, thanks for proving my point. Not a word in support/defense of Hillary. Uber-liberals are driven by blind hatred and utter ignorance. Having nothing positive to say about their presumptive nominee is quite remarkable.
     
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    And maybe you need to up your meds. I am, as always, coherent... your comprehension notwithstanding.

    I will pull out my fat crayons for you. Are you proud to have a nominee who you expect has violated laws regarding our national security "skating"?
     
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    as americans its really sad when we have to choose between someone who violated the law, and donald trump.
     
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    Maybe not so much with the public.
     
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    Not necessarily. Urge Bernie to run as an independent, he's already on the state rosters.
     

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