California college defends mural showing fanged border agent, upside down US flag

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  1. Space_Time

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    More free speech issues. Does this constitute microagression from the Left? Does the college's defense sound a bit hollow in the face of the ongoing assault from the progressive Left on free speech?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/0...d-border-agent-upside-down-american-flag.html

    California college defends mural showing fanged border agent, upside down American flag
    Published April 01, 2016 FoxNews.com
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    The mural shows a menacing border agent with fangs apparently poised to beat a laboroer. (The College Fix)
    The mural shows a menacing border agent with fangs apparently poised to beat a laboroer. (The College Fix)
    A mural at a public university in California that shows the American flag upside down and depicts a menacing border agent with fangs chasing an immigrant has long angered some students, but is protected free speech, school officials said this week.

    The eyebrow-raising mural at California State University Northridge has graced the hallway of the Chicano Studies department since 1999, but has recently stoked new controversy amid the ongoing debate over illegal immigration. School officials told The College Fix, a higher education blog, that the school has no intention of painting over it.

    “As a higher education institution, CSUN has a responsibility to encourage a wide variety of views and to be an educational and public forum for expression of divergent views, including those that some may find distasteful or unpopular,” CSUN spokesman Jeff Noblitt told The College Fix in an email.

    "A public university – my taxpayer dollars – goes to fund this picture of a U.S. flag upside-down?"

    - Jason Freudenrich, former Marine
    The mural was created by Chicano Studies students in 1999 to commemorate the department’s 30th anniversary and “represents the views of the students who created it, not the views of the university,” he wrote.

    While it is mostly viewed by students who take courses offered by the department and may be less inclined to object, other students have complained about it.


    “I was shocked, I was truly shocked,” Jason Freudenrich, 36, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran who served in Iraq in 2003, told The College Fix. “I was filled with anger. A public university – my taxpayer dollars – goes to fund this picture of a U.S. flag upside-down?

    “Day after day it just bugged me,” he said. “And come to find out, it bugged a lot of veterans.”

    The border patrol agent depicted in the mural has an “INS” insignia on his chest, for Immigration and Naturalization Service, and fangs.

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    The upside-down American flag is offensive to Freudenrich and others. (The College Fix)
    Freudenrich made a YouTube video criticizing the mural, but Noblitt said most of the criticism of the artwork has died down.

    “In years past, CSUN received a handful of complaints relating to this mural and specifically its depiction of the American flag,” Noblitt told The Colege Fix. “However, the university has not received any negative feedback regarding the mural in the past several years.”
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because veterans who have actually lived in places like Iraq and Afghanistan come home with an appreciation for this country, our freedoms, and our people.

    If the average college student were to go live in Iraq or Afghanistan for a year - like in Fallujah or Kandahar - it would have its effect, just like it has on so many veterans.

    :flagus:
     
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    The college says it has a duty to express all views, even if unpopular and distasteful to many....until it comes to conservative views. Then it declares them
    hurtful and beyond the pale and such opinions will be officially shut down and unrecognized.

    Thus the Marxist double standard of many, if not most, of our universities today.
     
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    I wonder if they would display a mural of Obama swinging from a rope? Or Bill Clinton raping a woman?
     
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    I'm just not seeing an upside down US flag .. where is it?

    These people should lighten up - if we can't protect 1st amendment rights on our college campuses - then they're history everywhere.

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    LoL .. you're comparing those things to this? ;)
     
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    Yes I did. lol
     
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    OH No! No more murals of fanged immigration agents assaulting the poor illegal immigrant? Whatever shall we do?

    The fact is we don't have 1st Amendment rights on most US college campuses...not for conservative or independent minded students anyway.
    Omar Mahmood can tell you what that's like: http://raisetheflagreport.com/major-university-shuts-freedom-speech-conservatives/

    And an individual expressing "colorful" views about La Migra are one thing. But to have a taxpayer funded university enshrine a message of hate and
    ignorance as part of the school's actual physical structure (making the university itself complicit in the statement) is totally unacceptable unless the school wants to present another equally large mural countering this abomination.

    Wise up..."protecting" our 1st Amendment rights is not the issue here.
     
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    Try scrolling down on the link provided and look at the second picture. I mean come on try a little why don't you. Do you really think that there is not an upside down flag somewhere on the mural. The first pic that you post is just showing a blown up area that people find most offensive.
     
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    We get it that discrimination against conservatives on college campuses is a favorite talking point.

    For the most part .. it's nonsense.
     
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    No, they are totally different pictures.

    Try a little why don't you. :)
     
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    "has graced the hallway of the Chicano Studies department since 1999"

    ^^^ makes it ok in the mind of Progressives.
     
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    Why does conservatives hate free speech so much?
    What is it about freedom and a different opinion or view scares them so much?
     
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    Tell Omar Mahmood that.
     
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    Confederate flag says hello.

    Writing "Trump" in chalk says hello..

    The constant calls of "hate speech", "microagrressions","trigger words", and "code" says hello...

    You guys CONSTANTLY try to shut down expression and you have the audacity to type out your post?
     
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    I'm not suggesting that it doesn't happen.

    I'm sure the same things happen to libs on conservative campuses in states like Alabama.

    We're just not obsessed with whining about it.
     
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    Probably because the number of conservative speakers or groups or statements of belief that have been silenced and muted by university authorities would fill a NY phone book (if such things still exist).

    Google "Conservatives Silenced by Universities" and you'll get nearly half a million results.
     
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    Are you for real? How about when that college found a noose around a statue? Or how about when that place "thought" they found several of them and whined until they found out they were lamps? How about the college professor who attacked someone protesting abortion? How about the college that shut down a straight pride event? Or how about the college that prevented a guy from handing out copies of the Constitution? Or how about the multitude of colleges who prevent military recruiting? Or how about the college who cancelled Condi Rice's speech? And that's off the top of my head; if I thought about it I could probably come up with many more examples.

    All liberals do is whine and protest, whine and protest.
     
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    Government universities are obsolete and should be moved online. The real estate and other assets should be sold and the proceeds returned to the public.
     
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    I just said that i wasn't suggesting it didn't happen. But some of the things you mentioned WERE offensive - a noose?

    No thanks.

    College in question had a rule against handing out any sort of flyers or brochures on campus. That goes both ways.

    As for "straight pride event" - yes, that is clearly a message of intolerance.

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    I did - and saw that it is true - conservatives do a lot of whining. ;)
     
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    Huh? ---> assume you mean public universities.

    The U.S. federal government does not run colleges or universities except for the service academies.

    Wow - private colleges only right? As if anyone but wealthy kids can afford those! :roll:
     
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    Answer the question, what is it about free speech that scares conservatives so much?

    A differing view causes most cons to wet themselves, why?

    Personally, I have never and will never try to stifle anyone's views or expression of them, unless they are of the 'fire!' in a crowded theater type and I think everyone draws the line there.

    So answer the question, if you dare.
     
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    Read again. Then try harder to post something responsive.
     
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    I did.

    Government universities are obsolete and should be moved online. The real estate and other assets should be sold and the proceeds returned to the public.

    Sorry, still makes no sense.
     
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    People find that mural offensive and intolerant and you call it free speech. Remember, it is you guys on the left who say no one has a right not to be offended...until you're the ones offended. And I like how you dismiss the straight pride event as intolerant, what do you think Trump protesters are, tolerant?
     
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    I don't support those who disrupt Trump rallies.

    But yes, Trumpkins are by in large intolerant.
     

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