How much of Palestine should the Arabs get back? - <MOD WARNING>

The cheap talk is comming from you. Arabs have been defeat time and time again by tiny Israel. now, this isn't so much because Israel is super-good. it's more because the arabs are utterly worthless. Just look at them, they're pathetic. They can't even control their own country, certainly not invade another country.

 

Palestine was NEVER a British colony. Palestine was the provisionally recognized sovereign nation of the Palestinian People at the conclusion of WW I with the break-up of the Turkish Empire. The only role and responsibility of the British government under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations was to establish the self-rule of the People of Palestine in THEIR COUNTY.

 

Israel is a nation founded upon Jewish Supremacy by foreigners and is far from being a democracy today. Millions of Arabs have been subjected to the authority of the Israeli government but are denied the right to vote in Israeli elections and have been for decades. In a democracy all of the People subjected to the authority of government are allowed to vote in the elections.

Had it not been for the incompetence of the Western European powers that assumed military control of the Middle East at the end of WW I there wouldn't be millions of people fleeing as refugees from the tyrannical nations that evolved because of the Western European control. There's an old saying that "You reap what you sow" and Western Europe is now realizing the results of the tyranny they created in the Middle East after the break-up of the Turkish Empire.

Israel, along with the other tyrannical regimes, is a result of Western European incompetence that created tyrannical regimes in the Middle East and Israel is perhaps the most despicable case of tyrannical nations because it was created based upon a violation of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

 

Yawn. Splitting hairs much? Palestine was under the jurisdiction of the British colonial authorities ruled with an iron fist, just like all other British colonies were.

 

You left out my choice. They don't get (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Rubbish. Two states for two peoples is no Jewish supremacy by any stretch of imagination, it was in fact a UN decision, no less. All Israeli citizens vote and exercise their democratic freedoms in Israel. Non-citizens of course have no such rights in Israel or anywhere else.

 

Indeed. Much of the british empire consisted of "protectorates", but we all know the real meaning of that.

 

British Mandate for Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

Excerpt:

In 1916, Britain and France concluded the Sykes–Picot Agreement, which proposed to divide the Middle East between them into spheres of influence, with "Palestine" as an international enclave.[19]

The British made two potentially conflicting promises regarding the territory it was expecting to acquire.[citation needed] In the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence of 1915 Britain had promised Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca, through T. E. Lawrence, independence for an Arab country covering most of the Arab Middle East in exchange for his support, while also promising to create and foster a Jewish national home in Palestine in the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

The Sykes-Picot Agreement did not call for Arab sovereignty, but for the "suzerainty of an Arab chief" and "an international administration, the form of which is to be decided upon after consultation with Russia, and subsequently in consultation with the other allies, and the representatives of the Sherif of Mecca."[20] Under the terms of that agreement, the Zionist Organization needed to secure an agreement along the lines of the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement with the Sherif of Mecca.

 

it is when 30% of the population gets 60% of the land.

 

55% in fact, and 2/3rd of the jewish partition was uninhibited and unsuitable for agriculture Negev desert. Some Jewish supremacy that was, getting mostly stones, sand and dust to live on. The arabs got the best most fertile land in Palestine.

 

I don't believe it's splitting hairs when we point out exactly what Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations explicitly states:

It did not establish any of these nations as "colonies" of the Mandatory and, in fact, it expressly limited the role to "administrative advice and assistance" by the Mandatory. The Mandatory was never the "government" of the provisionally recognized sovereign nation under Article 22.

Article 22 goes on to state:

The British, with the Palestinian Mandate that allowed European Jewish immigration to Palestine, was in direct violation of this provision because it was juxtaposed to the "wishes" of the Palestinian People.

As I've mentioned the British couldn't have been a worse possible selection as the Mandatory over Palestine. The British had no prior knowledge of how to create a modern government and only had experience as a colonial power based upon WASP Supremacy in other territorial locations around the world. In fact it was the British "colonial background" that resulted in the repeated violations of the express provisions in Article 22 that they either didn't understand and certainly never attempted to comply with.

The only reason the British were selected as the Mandatory was because the British military was already in the region at the end of WW I and not because the British were in anyway qualified for the roles and responsibilities of a Mandatory.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/leagcov.asp#art22

 

The Palestinians are not living in a separate state independent from Israeli rule and have been subjected to Israeli authority in the occupied territories since 1967. The Palestinians are "citizens" of the territory subjected to the authority of the Israeli government and therefore should be allowed to vote in the Israeli elections because the Palestinians are CITIZENS of the territory subjected to the authority of the Israeli government.

Of note I believe that Jews living in the Palestinian territories are allowed to vote in the Israeli elections and only the Arabs are being denied the right to vote in the same elections. Of course if you're a Jew then you're an Israeli citizen but if you're an Arab you're not an Israeli citizen based upon the ideology of Jewish Supremacy in Israel (that's ideologically the same as Aryan Supremacy under the former Nazis in Germany)

 

The British never had any intention of creating a Jewish State, this is why the Balfour Declaration and The Mandate were so ambiguous. The British intended to deliver a Jewish Homeland in Palestine and nothing more If WW2 and in particular the Holocaust had not happened Zionism would of remained very much a minority Jewish movement.

 

Lol you don't have to believe it's splitting hairs to be splitting hairs.

When it smells like a colony, is occupied like a colony, is repressed like a colony, ruled with an iron fist by the British colonial authorities like a colony... Guess what it is? Your stream of useless bureaucratic documents, articles, memorandums, resolutions and quotes mean absolutely nothing to nobody, lest of all they meant to the British occupational colonial authorities.

 

While it is true that the British only intended for European Jews to share Palestine as a homeland with the existing Palestinian people (and not to create a Jewish nation) it doesn't really matter what the British intended because the British Mandate for Palestine, that allowed European Jewish immigration, was in direct violation of Article 22 because that immigration was opposed by the Palestinian People.

 

So when it looks like a Nazi and acts like a Nazi then it's a Nazi even if it's really a Zionist?

The fact that the British acted like colonialists instead of complying with Article 22 is highly relevant to the problems we have today in the Middle East including the fact that Israel even exists today in violation of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations and the UN Charter.

 

what's the difference between a homeland and a state?

 

No doubt american indians would have some insight

 

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brwh1922.asp

even after the British tried to clarrify their promises in the Balfour declaration and their perceived responsibilities under the Mandate for Palestine, it is still kind of unclear what the status of the Jewish national home would be.

would Palestine be a Jewish national home, that emphasized Jewish culture, language, etc.....but with a sizeable non-Jewish minority?

kinda seems that way. read the link I posted.

 

What is wrong with you ? Some sort of prejudice against these people?

 

I am not sure what kind of rules and laws exist on your progressive libertarianism planet, but here on planet earth, the Israeli citizens vote in Israeli elections, Palestinians vote in their elections (they elected Hamas, remember), Americans vote in American elections. Iraqis don't vote in American, British, Polish elections even when invaded and occupied by a coalition of these countries. Likewise, non-Israeli don't vote in Israeli elections, regardless of whatever disagreements and conflicts exist in the region.

As I said, it may all be different on your planet but when on earth, do as the earthlings do.

 

Israel should also give the Golan Heights back to Syria and the Shaaba Farms back to Lebanon.

 

Israel exists in compliance with UN resolution 181 and multiple subsequent UNGA and UNSC resolutions confirming the legitimacy of Israel as a UN member in good standing. Moreover over, just like all other 200 countries on the planet, Israel has successfully defended its right to exist against multiple enemies.

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As per UN242 resolution the territories and borders should be negotiated in the context of a comprehensive land for peace agreement.

 

Question is, what is wrong with you? You seem to have some disorder which causes you only write bs. Are you offended by facts?

Why did they take them in the first place?

 

as part of a comprehensive Middle East peace deal, with full diplomatic and economic relations