Should we make supporting and aligning with ISIS and alQaeda treason?

OK first attempt didn't add poll trying again

Could that help stop some of these terrorist attacks? If we find someone declaring their alignment and support of terrorist groups should they be charged with treason? These groups are declared enemies of our government and our country and are trying to kill us. Should we declare war on them and then charge anyone supporting them or aligning with them with treason and/or sedition?

 

We've already declared war on Terror. No need to repeat that. Anybody who gives aid, comfort, or support to any radical Islam group or faction should be charged with treason. If they are found guilty in a trial, they should be put before a firing squad and shot!

 

Well just to cross the t's and dot the i's so some high priced lawyer doesn't tie things up by claiming no official Congressional declaration of war when his client is sentenced to that firing squad.

 

Good, valid point! Yeah, I can just see some hyperliberal ACLU lawyers rushing in to sue everybody but the court janitor if we were actually going to execute an Islamo-Nazi supporter for treason. The victims of these monsters be damned! The only thing that's important to orgs like the ACLU is coddling every anti-American terrorist in existence....

. "I'll get your head, but the ACLU's got my back!"

 

The problem is that any action even against a single Muslim could become a recruiting sergeant for I.S.

I don't know what the answer is. If I did I would probably be in line for a Nobel Peace Prize.

 

Oh spare us the Obama administration fallacious excuse to not do anything. ISIS doesn't need us to recruit anyone. Did we refuse to fight the NAZI's because doing so would create new ones?

 

The problem with that is, Trump says Obama and Hillary are ALIGNING and SUPPORTING ISIS and AL QAEDA. What is your standard of Aligning and supporting?

It might not be a good idea to put your ex presidents to firing squads, nor candidates running for that office. Sounds kinda like Bandana Republic.

 

Totally different situation, totally different culture.

No, IS does not need us to recruit, the recruits will flock to IS.

Your blind hatred of Clinton and Obama is preventing you from understanding the reality of the situation.

 

We should punish people for what they actually do, not for what they may believe or support. Sounds far too similar to thought policing and once that can is opened the government could squash all future dissent by applying the same rules to anyone those chose. If someone actually commits a crime, punish them for it, but simply having treasonous beliefs isn't treason itself...

 

And spare me your projecting emotions for lack of something of substance to add and yes the comparison applies. Both wanted to conquer the world and our noting who they are and our opposition to them is not needed to enable them to recruit at will.

 

Yes treason for actually supporting and giving aid and assistance to our enemies.

US Code

""Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.""

And why I added the choice for a declaration of war be proclaimed first so that it becomes very specific. I would call pledging allegiance to our enemies and then plotting terrorist attacks on their behalf treason would you not?

 

Yes with a declaration of war first, it will give the USA the legal tool to go after them.

 

If we make supporting terrorists an act of Treason, obama and hillary would be sent to prison, for supporting terrorists in Libya and Syria.

 

I answered yes....
but my answer needs to be somewhat qualified.........

I do believe that it might be possible to find some Muslims.......
who technically identify with ISIS........ but they might do so in
such a way that they could be productive and peaceful residents or even citizens of
Canada or the USA.............

Thank you for posting this poll.......
you certainly have given me something to think about.........

I quote an Islamic scholar in the opening post of this discussion.......
I doubt that he personally supports ISIS..........
but there could be some ISIS supporters who would want ISIS to
become involved in a peace process.... that could transform the Middle East political formula.....?????

http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/322565-gods-peace-plan-holy-land.html
God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land
I read this intriguing plan for peace in the Middle East twice already! It is about fifty pages and well worth your time to consider!


http://www.godspeaceplan.org/

(Scroll down to the link: Click Here to Download Your Copy of the Peace Plan).

Here is a review by an Islamic scholar:

 

No, never. This is one ot the major problems we were having with the British government that caused us to become an independent nation, and it is why Treason is the only crime I know of that is specifically addressed in our Constitution. The British, and this means pretty much the Royals, were wont to see Treason in just about any kind of activity they didn't like by just about anyone for any reason. From this came such Institutions as Star Chamber (which we're damnably close to anyway in the whole panoply of "black ops") and, I think, the crime of lese majeste (basically dissing the king) though that really came before and is more of a derivation than a cause, sorta.

If you give that power to Democrats pretty soon it will be treasonous to be a Republican, and vice versa. Treason should be ONLY what the Constitution says it is.

 

Yes according to the Constitution which is then embodied in US Code as I cited.

 

I see nothing in the law that says we have to declare war before treason can exist. So I say, yes.

But, considering the mentally ill “liberals” who say war does not exist when the other side declares war, we should try to impeach the Supreme Court first thing then declare war if we can’t get sane people on the court.

“Liberal” Mental illness is a disease unlike any other:

“The charge against Hamdan, described in detail in Part I, supra, alleges a conspiracy extending over a number of years, from 1996 to November 2001. All but two months of that more than 5-year-long period preceded the attacks of September 11, 2001, and the enactment of the AUMF—the Act of Congress on which the Government relies for exercise of its war powers and thus for its authority to convene military commissions. Neither the purported agreement with Osama bin Laden and others to commit war crimes, nor a single overt act, is alleged to have occurred in a theater of war or on any specified date after September 11, 2001. None of the overt acts that Hamdan is alleged to have committed violates the law of war.” (Stevens, insane person) https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05-184.ZO.html

“Based on the foregoing, the President’s judgment—that the present conflict substantially predates the AUMF, extending at least as far back as al Qaeda’s 1996 declaration of war on our Nation, and that the theater of war extends at least as far as the localities of al Qaeda’s principal bases of operations—is beyond judicial reproach. And the plurality’s unsupportable contrary determination merely confirms that “ ‘the Judiciary has neither aptitude, facilities nor responsibility’ ” for making military or foreign affairs judgments.” (Thomas, sane person) https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05-184.ZD1.html

Since the Supreme Court says, “the enactment of the AUMF—the Act of Congress on which the Government relies for exercise of its war powers and thus for its authority to convene military commissions,” therefore, the executive use of the War Powers Act is not sufficient to mean war exists, consequently, pledging allegiance to ISIS then plotting terrorist attacks on their behalf would not be treason any more than it would be an act of war to aid Al Quacka in their war crimes between their 1996 declaration of WAR and the insufficient AUMF of 2001.

I called for a declaration of war on 9/11/2001, but Senator Nelson wrote me back and said the authorization was “sufficient.”

 

It does not matter whether we declare war. What matters is whether they only verbalize support or actually send money. For sending money, that should only be illegal if we have declared war or have troops fighting a very specific target. Money for commercials is a slippery slope and depends on what the commercial says.

 

But the left would use that to tie it up in court for years, so just have Congress declare war and take that away from them.

 

Jesus, this is amazing

Do you guys realize that what you're proposing is EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers were objecting to? and precisely what they were trying to prevent?

Ain't no doubt in my mind, any one of them would horsewhip your average conservative in the street if they ran into them today

 

Really how so? They believed it so important they put it in the Constitution, so you think they did so so it would not be used?

You don't believe this guy committed treason by this act meant to aid and support our enemies?

 

Then we feel the full power of a dictator. {Just have to point out the danger inherent in any wartime Obamanation.}

Before war:

May 1, 1935: "To the extent necessary to carry out the provisions of this Executive Order the Administrator is authorized to acquire, by purchase or by the power of eminent domain, any real property or any interest therein and improve, develop, grant, sell, lease (with · or 'without the privilege of purchasing), or otherwise dispose of any such property or interest therein."
Read more at the American Presidency Project: Franklin D. Roosevelt: Executive Order 7027 Establishing the Resettlement Administration. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?p...#ixzz1WF7IYFdf

My father at 12, after he was give away, lived in the barn of one of the recipients of such a granted farm in Pine Mountain Georgia (My father took me there in the 70’s and I saw FDR’s picture still over the mantle), then at 14 he went to Oregon and pulled a cross cut saw for the WPA:

“This Timberline Lodge marks a venture that was made possible by W.P.A., emergency relief work, in order that we may test the workability of recreational facilities installed by the Government itself and operated under its complete control.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timberline_Lodge#Film_history

Then my father went to Camp Lee Virginia when he enlisted before Pearl Harbor when he was 16 years of age, he was a drill instructor at 16 years of age, the test was they lined them up and punched them in the stomach.

Can you imagine after the war is declared and we have dictator of a congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY?

 

What on earth are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the President or a dictator.

 

No, the last declaration of war was in 1942. I agree we should declare war, but our politicians seem to be afraid to.

 

And the world today is what it is today. Put a Republican in office with a Republican Congress and we get one and we can start charging people who support our enemies with treason.