Announcing your intention to torture, and then having crowd cheer it, is treasonous.

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  1. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Doing so, is a commercial for torture being normalized, and will be used on OUR troops.

    Therefore, doing so is treasonous. No, I didn't say treason. I said Treasonous.

    Trump has endangered every troop and ally.

    The Republicans should be ashamed. It's not about how terrorists act.

    IT IS ABOUT our values and standing, as the superpower.

    The inhumanity that Republicans cheer, should lead them to introspection, in some quiet moment.
     
  2. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    You are not living in the real world. Trump is for fighting fire with fire. Not starting a fire. Don't believe the Japanese soldiers in WW2 took all prisoner all who surrendered, many were shot when they surrendered. Many were tortured and there is plenty of eye witness testimony to back that up. Our troops valued humanity and did not torture, but we did shoot many who came forward with their hands raised. Bottom line, we won the war. We now need to win the war against radical Islamist terrorists.
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or we could try Loretta Lynch's way and put flowers in our hair and sing Kumbaya. But which way would be more effective against terrorism? HHHHmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    We have a president who can't even say 'radical Islam' and you think we should be ashamed? Well we are. We're ashamed of Obama.
     
  4. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Between the Muslims thinking Trump is against all Muslims, for good reason, and for torture, we can expect a YUGe graduating class of 2016, at the ISIS academy.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Trump knows that hugs trained Pavlovian dogs cheer at the smell of red meat and blood so he throws them red meat. I has gotten to the point that I would not be surprised it The Trump let out a loud fart, not from his mouth as he does when he talks but from his lower opening his idiot folloewers would cheer like demented mental patients when they are about to be fed.
     
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    Wouldn't you think it would be a great day if ISIS and aQaeda and DASH and even Russia and China announced that in the future they would treat their captives as we did and as we did ONLY used EIT on captives that had information of imminent threats and only went as far as we did. As a father of two sons who served multiple deployments I know I would have slept LOTS better at night.
     
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    trump can say those things, he want's to end NATO and let the europeans protect themselves.

    he is against the iraq war, and wants to pull troops to defend our borders, not foreign borders. savings in military spending and no wars where americans can be tortured.
     
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    That just makes our bombs more efficient and cost effective.
     
  9. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Grow up you're talking about a part of the world in which interrogation involves cattle prods and genitalia and removing body parts for starters and you think there going to be inspired by pretend drowning? Get real. And why the assumption that all Muslims are such idiots that they can't recognize the obvious.
     
  10. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I could give a tinkers damn what goatherders do. I will do what I will do. And so should WE. You don't allow those around you to determine your morality, or you had better retract ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL your stigmas of blacks that grow up in the ghetto.
     
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    Sorry don't have any. I don't do group think. It's stupid and counter productive. By the way the Chinese and Russians start with water boarding. The Russians already beat up and broke the shoulder of one of our embassy staff, and if you think Putin and give a damn about water boarding your kidding yourself.
    Hell 2/3 of the laughs their asses off when we get squeamish about water boarding and that probably includes more than a few of our allies in Europe.
     
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    Do you really believe the carp you just wrote. When four of our troops were captured in Iraq the bodies we finally found showed extreme torture, mutilation and finally decapitation. Do you really believe they care? BTW I've got some beachfront in Arizona I can sell you. :roflol:
     
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    Dude the Russians and the Chinese start out with water and then proceed onward to things you and I wouldn't even want to think about let alone do. Sorry most of the rest of the world looks at our agonizing over water boarding and thinks us weak and more than a bit stupid.
     
  14. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Torture simply gets anyone, to admit anything. ANd how is that going to stop anyone else from torture, if we do? How about if we peeled the flesh off, a strip at a time? What does that gain us?
     
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    I have no problem with torture for people who threaten or kill Americans.

    There are far worse things on this planet to be worried about.
     
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    While terrorists use it as a form of enjoyment. Do you really expect that it will stop terrorists or tyrants from using torture to whatever end they choose? I've just increased my sales pitch just for you, not only choice Arizona beachfront property, but I can now offer you a few bridges in NYC, two slightly use Battleships and several elephants recently retired by the circus.
     
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    Since World War Two, which group opposing the United States has ever treated our captured soldiers consistently well?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is used on our troops.

    What makes you suppose it is not?

    I read Democrats run down this country daily. I mean per them, this place has to suck big. I mean huge.

    Supposedly we are greedy. Out for oil Want to conquest countries.

    Then they backpedal over Libya. They backpedal as to why they lost huge chunks of Iraq once Bush won it.

    They backpedal over why they have military in Afghanistan.

    I can go on if needed.

    Waterboarding never was torture using the USA system. We did not use the Japanese system or other dreadful systems. We did not want harm to the terrorists. We did not want them to get into a coma. They only endured for half a minute. Divers can hold their breath up to 7 minutes I believe.

    Democrats started bawling their eyes out over terrorists. Terrorists have it great compared to captured Americans.
     
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    Democrats to this very day never saw it as torture when our men had limbs blown off by hidden bombs.

    But they sure think water tortures.

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    Actually, we had experts doing it. They gained a lot of expertise by doing it to our own navy seals.

    When I served in the Army, I watched as our guys got tortured and that was during training.
     
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    While I agree that the use of torture is all-around wrong and only good for producing false confessions, I must ask how you think something can be treasonous without being treason, seeing as the word "treasonous" is simply an adjective which applies only to things which are treason. By definition.
     
  21. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good, Can we start on the Bundy folks, then move to all the right wingers that threaten revolution or secession? I'm sure I can find more treasonous groups.
     
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    ahhh....your plan is to fight terrorists with.....love. Hows that been working out?
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not familiar with the branded water tortures. Could you fill me in? They cram water down not dribble it. You cannot hold your breath, or they would wait 7 minutes to begin.
     
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    You torture enthusiasts are unbelievable. Let's set aside the fundamental problem that it DOESN'T EVEN WORK, and examine why our country might choose to avoid torturing people.

    First of all, we are better than that. Torture is a tool of savages.

    Second, we should be seeking the things about ourselves that make us different than zombified extremists willing to do horrific things to each other. Maintaining our humanity by choosing not to succumb to barbarity when faced with it, IS a breakwater against these people. Maintaining our humanity is worth doing regardless of what our sworn enemies are doing. Any other response is antithetical to what this country stands for. We do not do that (*)(*)(*)(*). That is for sadistic, desperate, and evil people.

    I can't believe you are willing to let this go to chase some sort of non-existent benefit. Totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ing pathetic. And it doesn't work. IT DOESN'T WORK. :flagus:
     
  25. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never sucker punched anyone, I have not thrown the first punch. I have never snuck a weapon. I have never fought underhanded, and you know what? I have never lost a fight.

    You don't have to be a coward, to win.
     

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