'30 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Days, 'terror attack'

I said it once and I'll say it again don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing talk about me like I'm not in the room.

Islam as a non-secular ideology is violent, misogynistic, theocratic, homophobic, anti-Semitic and totalitarian, Christianity and Judaism with the obvious exceptions are very similar, the problem is that most Jews and Christians are secular; whereas, most Muslims (and we're talking high 90 percentile here) are proudly theocratic.

*explain to them as if you would a child*

No the Nazi's wanted to wipe out the Jews because of their race not their ideology or religion as can be seen by the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


Q. What were these orders?

A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

A. Yes, That is right.

Q. They were found in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

A. Yes.

Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

A. Yes.

Q. Because of blood?

A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

Q. And because of their blood, right?

A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

A. Between whom?

B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

A. The difference of the blood, yes.

Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

I already stated that I have no problem with secular Muslims but they are in the small minority. The way to combat political Islam is to first name it as the enemy, then stop importing it, then start deporting it where we can IE non-citizens here in the West, we need to monitor it in the Madrassas, the Mosques, and especially on the Internet. We need to make the praising of Daesh in any form a felony. That is what we can do at home, what we need to do abroad is NATO led by the US under Article 5 of the mutual defense clause needs put boots back on the ground and take Mosul, Raqqa, and Aleppo street by street and house by house and slaughter every last member of ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām to the man the way the Marines did in Fallujah in 2004 sending those (*)(*)(*)(*) suckers running across the border to seek shelter from Assad like the cowardice hypocrites that they are.

 

No... That is what you would like me to say.
I guess your lack of actual response means you have no arguments. Of course... You can always lie about what the poster says instead like you just did.

 

Maybe.

 

The false-flag operation and drama staged by the US at Abbottabad was staged only for Obama’s re-election campaign. The US wants to hide its blunders and gain popularity by using the name of Osama bin Laden- Pakistan’s ex-Director General of the ISI, Lt. Gen. (R) Hamid Gul

 

Whatever. It is evident you are beyond rational discussion on this issue.

People have a right to defend themselves and their cultures, even if some choose not to because of politics.

 

Orlando was an ISIL attack, the shooter swore allegiance to al-Baghdadi and ISIL. And are you seriously asserting that three armed Muslim men going into a nighclub firing randomly was a gang shooting?

It's on video:

[video=youtube;wbAc8UhO78I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbAc8UhO78I[/video]

That was not a gang shooting that was a terrorist attack.

 

You might want to read a bit of French history. You know... Why 10% of their population is Muslim.
Hint;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France#Maghrebis

Also... Something that might shed some light on why this problem is recurring in France since so many seem to be ignorant of history;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

 

lmfao and is that your opinion as well?

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It's not a recurring problem in France it's a recurring problem in every corner of the world.

 

I didn't mention you . Someone else butted in half way through.

Like I said you identify Islam with the worst you can find.

Most Jews and Christians are secular? WTF. Jews of course have, depending on where they live for up to a hundred years or so believed they are a race though I have heard some of them saying only because Israel insists this is so and so they feel a need to speak up loud and clear against Israel's claims about the opinion of Jews.

Christians secular - get a life.

 

and people have a right to point out the similarity to people's way of thinking and that of the Nazis. It is not surprising that right wing people will think the same way. It is just cute the way they like to deny it. Did you not admit to me you found Stormfront a good site to go to.

 

So then it's not our foreign policy in the Middle East that is the problem? You can't have it both ways, you can't claim that Muslim citizens in the west are perpetrating terror attacks here because we are killing Muslims over there and then in the same breath claim that they don't have more allegiance to dar al-Islam than they do their home nations. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

 

Since it's common knowledge that increased government spending is the answer to every problem, should France spend more money on sending bombers to the Mid-East, more money on policing truck drivers, or both?
http://www.inquisitr.com/1485926/french-bombers-isis-base/

 

The critically injured is now put at 50 if anyone is interested in the French people.

 

You didn't mention me by name but I know the original post that started this line of argument and it was somebody comparing me to a Nazi.

Most Christians and Jews are absolutely secular, they are absolutely not calling for theocracy.

 

No. I've only been there a couple of times when people like you linked to it.

IMO you have ended rational discussion in this thread with your constant reference to Nazis. If you feel you must overcompensate to excuse the destruction of European culture you are helping to foster, so be it, but that is not the choice many of us over here wish to make, and we are not knuckling under to Marxist rhetoric on the matter no matter how nasty the invective gets.

 

"France needs to get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the Middle East" ring any bells? Ya you care a lot about the French people by blaming France for this atrocity.

 

Americans do have a history of lying and deceit. They can't be trusted

The way in which the US conducted the operation at Abbottabad has left behind many doubts and suspicion. I feel Osama bin Laden has been killed in Afghanistan and the US staged a drama in Abbottabad to malign the country. - Pakistan’s Ex-Chief of Army Staff General (R) Mirza Aslam Baig


If we are to believe America’s "truth", they should have shown the body of Osama bin Laden and shared the facts and evidence with the world’ but the picture released is Osama bin Laden is about 20 years old- Pakistan’s Ex-Chief of Navy Staff Admiral (R) Iftikhar A. Sirohey


It seems America did the operation in Abbottabad to pressurize Pakistan. The event is not as it seems and being portrayed, - Pakistan’s ex-Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (R) Kaleem Saadat

 

Repeating the same thing time and time again expecting different results is a definition of insanity not care.

 

Are you saying Muslims aren't in gangs? (*)(*)(*)(*) half the Toronto gangs are Arab.

 

What a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing crock of (*)(*)(*)(*), Bin Laden's wife was there she survived and has come out and said that he was killed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-moments-in-the-life-of-Osama-Bin-Laden.html

This is one of the problems of the Muslim world they are steeped in conspiracy theories.

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I am saying that it wasn't a gang shooting he was firing randomly into the bar.

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Was not your first post on this thread "France needs to get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of the Middle East"????

 

No, You guys are stupid and gullible. You easily believe in whatever BS is fed to you by your Governments and Media.

 

Ok provide the link as I am unaware of providing a link to stormfront. I have been quite honest about visiting Stormfront. However my interest is quite different to yours. My interest is to know what they are thinking. You expressed a feeling of understanding where they were coming from. This of course does not surprise me. You claimed at that time to be new to politics. I am betting you have learned sufficient now to know that your previous comradry with them kind of makes denial of having a far right mindset ridiculous.

and tell me what you mean by people like me. I illustrated to you that the Nazis did Kristallnacht by collective blaming of all Jews for the assassination of Ernst Von Rath in just the same way you blame all Muslims for the actions of a petty criminal. It is the same mindset. Collective blaming generally leading in time to collective punishment and if continued that collective punishment getting worse and worse which is why I asked you earlier if it is genocide you are after now - I mean all you previous killing has just made the terrorist situation worse. Collective punishment is against International law. That is where you are headed. I am just calling a spade a spade.

See there you go again only the Nazis thought it was the Jews destroying European culture.

 

You'd be saying a hell of a lot if this had been a white Christian type who killed over 80 Muslims or other members of a left-wing voting bloc. But since this was a member of your team, you're silent about it.

But what if that "one nutter" is just one of many? How about that one just a few weeks ago who killed 50 gays in Florida? Or the couple in San Bernardino just a few months ago? Or the several attackers that attacked in France just within the past year? Or the many thousands who are involved with Islamic terrorist groups worldwide?

I'm sure those people in France had the same attitude you do. They felt they lived in a privileged, safe environment, and all the Muslim immigration they wanted in their country (for political reasons) would never come around and bite them. They were wrong. You're the type that simply doesn't care about things like this until it's right in your backyard. It's all about ideology.

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What "race" is Muslims, again?

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We can always count on the far left to justify Islamic terrorist attacks and sympathize with the attackers. This was just a poor oppressed victim of French colonialism.

 

Like the Pakistani government quotes you just posted? I posted interviews from Bin Ladens wife who was in the compound by his side when Seal Team Six sent his ass straight to hell. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing spare me.

 

The far left? Nah man... they are communists and stuff... I am on the right in Europe.
But don't let that stop you from embarrassing yourself. I thoroughly enjoy reading stupid posts by American right wingers who show their myopic ignorance.