Do you support eugenics?

IQ is not a measure of overall intelligence, adaptability, usefulness, etc. To base mutilating human beings so they can't procreate based on a TEST is horrendous. Who are you anyway?

 

still can't believe you are posting this.

NOT the smartest thing to do.

Hopefully you can figure out why.

 

How 'bout a simple test, if you can support yourself and your children you are fit to breed. We will even go a bit further, after you have a child or children that we have to support your right to breed ends.

 

IQ is accurate enough to show that the best, and brightest typically score high IQ scores, and that down syndrome people typically score low IQ scores.

But, of course IQ is not 100% accurate, no test is.

I never advocated sterilization, I advocated a tax system.

 

You're assuming that we can actually determine things to that degree. 50% is an estimate. It might really be 40% or 60%. The point is a significant proportion of IQ is environmental. Be it 32% or 50% or whatever.

 

Because they are human beings with inherent value.

 

In all honesty, yes.. If I knew the child I was carrying had birth defects I would.

 

A significant proportion of I.Q. is environmental probably closer to 32%. Providing an enriched environment will not change a 85 I.Q to 120 just like an adequate diet won't make a stunted child grow to 7 feet.

The identical twin separated at birth studies are probably accurate and telling.

 

Are you sure it was Huntington's?

What you are describing is not what I know about Huntingdon's. I thought it was a genetic disorder that didn't manifest itself until the person was in the 30-50 year old range. I'm not doubting that is what they told you, but it doesn't fit what I already knew about the disease.

http://hdsa.org/what-is-hd/

 

O.K. You spend your money. What value do they have?

 

PISA scores are not IQ scores. They are a reflection of how well students are being taught subjects in comparison to the way the test asks. Common Core standards were created in response to the weaknesses in our PISA tests.

 

One way to test I.Q. is to put information out there and test how much got absorbed.

 

Eugenics was government policy in the U.S. starting at close to the turn of the twentieth century, and in fact, our programs inspired the Nazi programs.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/...n-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/

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No, in the U.S. we had government implementation of eugenics in the early 20th century. Please research and learn about things before you post.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/

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Actually eugenics came from the progressive movement of the early 20th century. Yes, it was fundamentally anti-American, yet in the name of progress and science, we did it anyway.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/

 

Actually, you exaggerate. The average cost per year for medical treatments for CF patients is $10-15k. Hardly the millions you claimed before. Yes, some need lung transplants, but that's not even the majority of CF patients. It is a terrible condition, but it gets less bad every year as treatments are developed. It was once rare for them to reach age 12.

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I still haven't seen the study. Please show it to me.

Again, I know enough about the social sciences to have doubts as to the accuracy of their claims. Too many measurement error possibilities.

 

Exactly. As I heard in a lecture on the subject in an educational measurement class, IQ is what IQ tests measure. By itself, it's a fairly useless measure. I say this as somebody who has been measured at 130+. Don't know the exact number, as my parents wouldn't allow me to know the actual number, I know it's over 130 because that was the criteria for gifted classes. (parents didn't want me or my brothers to know, so we wouldn't lord it over the other brothers--we were all tested as gifted, which is all we know).

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My money is being spent on it. Besides having problems with the mucus of their lungs and intestines, they have the value of any other person.

 

Very true. Intelligent folks tend to have high I.Q.s and stupid folks low I.Q.s.

Do you support those with cystic fibrosis passing on their genetic defect?

 

That's very naive, Polak, on top of being misinformed.

IQ scores do not reflect raw intelligence, they reflect the performance of intellect. Performance is affected by a variety of factors. Quality of sleep, quality of diet, confidence, stress, living conditions, peer pressure, etc... Is it not odd that most people with high IQ's tend to com from highly developed parts of the world?

Also, high intelligence makes society run smother, but then you must ask yourself how does your society run? Off what? Many of our largest industries employ low-to-minimum wage labor. Our society needs an underclass to function. NEEDS. That means there not only must be poor people, but they must be kept poor in order to keep them beneath a certain level of proficiency.

Think about it. Intelligent people created the country we have today in all it's rotten ways. Intelligent people look for new, scientific ways to deceive, to control, manipulate, and spy on you. Intelligent people realize paying a foreign worker $3/hr is better than paying an American $9 so that's where the jobs go. So on and so on...

 

It's really not much of an issue with genetic testing. I don't have a problem with it, and it's not my business or right to stop it. Carriers don't have symptoms. The chances of two carriers meeting are around 1 in 10,000. I have a niece by marriage (wife's sister's daughter) who was an undiagnosed carrier. She has a CF kid and a carrier kid. My wife's sister was tested, and she's not a carrier (came from her husband's side), so my sons only have a very small possibility of having it. If I were a known CF carrier, I wouldn't marry another carrier, but other than that, there's no risk. It shouldn't be the government's or anybody else's decision.

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Nope, that's testing memory, not IQ.

 

I agree as long as the government is not picking up the tab.

 

If you noticed I've specifically stated in the OP that the masses are too dumb, and the elite too wicked.

But, the higher the IQ, the more people can think for themselves, and thus be able to keep the wicked elite in check.

This is just another reason why higher IQ is better.

As people's IQ's increased in the 20th century, due to higher education, and better nutrition, the society has improved as a whole.

But, indeed, the wicked elites tossing American jobs to foreigners, shouldn't be tolerated, and I think we need smart answers for that, not stupid answers.

 

Are you suggesting it's environment?

I've never denied that the environment impacts on IQ.

But, I'd argue much of the opposite, that developed parts of the World are that way because of their higher IQ scores.

Communist China scored a 100 IQ in the 1970's, and 1980's when they just got through a huge starvation period, and many Chinese were malnourished.

Now that China's incorporated some Capitalist elements, the society is pushing forward rapidly.

 

China's recent success is the result of their one child policy and the high I.Q.

 

Very few really, only blacks are stupider than whites overall

I'm very much against this, as many very evil people are also very intelligent and this would do nothing but encourage that tendency. Also there's no such thing as a test that can't be figured out and tests very rapidly become simply a measure of how good the subject is at taking tests. (I know this from firsthand experience with taking tests for various licenses where I frequently would do much better than more experienced and talented people because they would "argue" with the test from a sort of "yes, but" viewpoint whereas I would just answer the question and move on.)

OTOH I'm all for genetic engineering. What parent could be against the idea of making your child stronger and more intelligent in the womb? The argument that you might be designing out genius is a legitimate concern but misplaced IMO. Human capabilities that can be affected this way are very broad based things and the idiot savant isn't something you really want anyway.

 

Stupid White people! What have they invented?

 

that is the goal of many of your comments. they intentionally inflame and provoke, so as to bring on a negative and hostile reaction.