Things White Nationalist Don't Know About Crime in Communities

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  1. Tiz

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    You deserve to be held responsible for the ignorant (*)(*)(*)(*)**** stuff you wrote. And you are responsible for not taking Trump to task for his ignorant racist statement. And you are responsible for providing justice for black who are still alive and victims before you were born. After all, you benefitted from white privilege. And his children suffered because of crimes against him that were never prosecuted.

    Then get to work!



    It is objectively false. If we ignore the brutalization of blacks in the Jim Crow era, and we only include the brutalization of black slaves (that was illegal then, too, but the laws were never enforced) then it would take centuries for blacks to catch up to whites.

    How stupid do you have to be to not know this?
     
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    Actually, some Jim Crow laws are still in effect. But that is another topic for another day.

    I am holding you accountable for not acknowledging that blacks were most certainly NOT better off under white tyranny and what Trump said is therefore floridly racist trash.

    This is not a matter of opinion anymore than the laws of thermodynamics.
     
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    I'm not counting what happening in slavery or Jim crow. I'm talking present day. So it is objectively true that blacks commit far more violent crimes than whites, while being a much smaller population. You pretending thier crimes are justified is laughable.

    White privilege does not exist. I am less likely to get a job than a black with equal qualifications because of affirmative action. Get destroyed.

    And the intent of trumps statement is accurate. Blacks are in a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty state. I don't owe the old man anything, I did nothing to him. I agree he suffered and deserves reimbursement but I don't owe him anything.

    Your entire argument is an emotional rant full of fallacy. You ate as ignorant as you claim others are and you can't even see it.
     
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    And I'm holding you accountable for the acknowledgment that black crime, nor any crime, is not justified. I'm holding you accountable for the acknowledgment that I am not responsible for the black plight. I am holding you accountable for the acknowledgment that the black plight is massively thier own doimg. This is objective fact.

    Let's see if you can be intellectually honest.
     
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    How convenient!

    Let your parents, aunts and uncles, and grandparents off the hook!

    Are you the Pope?
     
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    That's a non sequitur and a false dilemma.

    Nobody ever said the current crime (not in Colin Powell’s or Ben Carson’s neighborhood) is okay or your fault. That isn't what Trump was talking about. He compared now to the past. And he included the entire past, as he made crystal clear with ever, ever, ever.

    And compared to the past, this is the BEST it has ever been.
     
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    Why should it be considered? Does that have some bearing on the reality they commit more,by far...right now? Today...yesterday, tomorrow. Black crime is rampant. And the ones doing it right now are directly responsible for thier actions. Whereas you would hold me accountable for the actions of others. Keep in mind my Aunt's and uncles were part of the generation which changed those laws. But you are on a witch hunt lolol.
     
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    To the underlined I would change to actually mean we get processed and punished more for committing the same violent crimes, more then whites, on a much larger scale even though we are a smaller part of the population.
    But this is all opinion so please continue.
     
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    I believe his message was they are in a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty state. I don't think he is used to having his every word being criticized so harshly.

    And he is correct in that, they are in a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty state.

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    Yes, your opinion. Not influenced by facts but emotion. Yes, I will continue.

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    It's also worth pointing out that blacks were slavery as well. It's not just a white thing.
     
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    Yes, it has bearing. The Jim Crow laws now are things you are doing nothing to fix. That is criminal. And you will never be held responsible by this majority white country.

    Did you know Washington DC has been majority black essentially it's entire history?

    Why don't they have respresentstion?

    It is going to be majority white soon. Care to bet how long it will take D.C. to have representation after that?

    And that isn't even a Jim Crow thing.

    And it takes two days in a decent sociology course to figure out that people who are relentlessly victimized, brutalized and told they are inferior will tend to be more violent toward their own. Abused children are more likely to be abusive parents. This isn't genetic. And it isn't the least bit surprising. Is it something they have to figure out?

    Yes

    Is it your fault?

    No.

    But it is your grandparents fault (collectively, not your grandparents specifically, as I'm sure they marched shoulder to shoulder with MLK Jr.)
     
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    Based on my opinion of the statistics though...would that sway your argument?
     
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    Trump almost always talks concretely at a fourth grade level. This statement was no different. You have no grounds for taking his words any other way than how he said them.
     
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    To the underlined that is actually because of the LGBT community, and Dupont circle....look it up, them people have connections and are rich. :p
    Nothing to do with race.
     
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    I don't know what you are saying?
     
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    Uh....Joe MacCarthy called, besides being dead even he doesn't say that any more
     
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    Yes, I understand the cause and effect. But that is no excuse for them committing crime.

    Affirmative action is criminal. Yet you are doing nothing to fix it. That hypocrisy at its finest.

    I'm not some evil whites person you see me as. In a hypothetical scenario, If the KKK were to invade a black neighborhoods with killing on thier minds, I'd take up arms in the blacks defense. I do believe in equality. I do believe that injustices should be fixed.

    On that same token if rioters came to destroy my home, and if it were in my power, I'd kill everyone of them if necessary.

    I don't believe the past is my fault, nor an excuse for present day carnage. I don't believe white people are this oppressing force anymore.

    I believe the past is used as an excuse for laziness and bad attitudes.

    I do believe if a black person does what I'm doing, school, hardworking etc, he will get the same result.
     
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    Link to info, where you think we are getting representation please, then I may be able to explain.
     
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    I don't think D.C. is getting representation. But I don't think it will take long after it's majority white. I don't know a thing about the internal dynamics.
     
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    Repeating this give the false impression that anyone said otherwise.

    So given nobody ever said otherwise, and you've been told that, repeating it over and over is rather dishonest. And it prejudicial. Because you seem to have a fixed belief that black Americans are scapegoating.

    I assure you, if they had the same access to the polls, the same treatment by police, and the same justice in the courts, they wouldn't want another thing from you and yours. But until we are even remotely close to that, affirmative action is far more rational than getting justice for that 81 year old in other ways.

    I don't think you are evil. I do think you are too proud to acknowledge the profundity of the sins of the past, and you dont have the humility to acknowledge it might unfairly skew your perceptions of racial issues today.




    I wasn't talking about white people. So why did you bring up bad attitudes and laziness?

    When I was a kid, the stereotype of Mexicans was that they were lazy. But it isn't anymore.

    I'll let Ben Carson know that he is lazy. I agree that he has a bad attitude.
     
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    Says who? Please provide proof of your claim or just admit you made it up.
     
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    From the donaldjtrump.com website: “End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.”
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

    That requires amending the fourteenth amendment. And it is the very clause that kept former slave owners from claiming their ex-slaves weren't actually citizens.
     
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    Black do use that as an excuse however. They do blame white people for thier plight. They do use scape goats. Just look at the riots, and whats being chanted. It's impossible to miss.

    They do have the same access to all the things you mentioned. Statistics have shown this already.

    The BLM narrative is a lie.

    I'm not to proud to admit anything. I simply don't accept the propaganda that is all over the place.
     
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    There was a massive peaceful protest in Charlotte tonight. So what the heck are you talking about?

    Sounds like you are scapegoating.

    In fact, you are definitely scapegoating.
     
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    Not made up,

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ell-us-about-his-candidacy-hint-its-not-good/

    And
    [video=youtube;o-2P1m1CJJA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-2P1m1CJJA[/video]

    But people hear what they want to hear...seems like Trump got some good advise to shut up about it though, and erased it from search. Cant find what I heard on live debate...if i care enough ill try later.
     
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    Nah, it does not. You are inventing your own proof. Try again.
     

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