Bernie Sanders : Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

These people are actually pouting that Trump actually saved jobs....before he even takes office. Their problem is, Trump is a more effective President than Obama is and he isn't even sworn in yet.

 

In short, Bernie is a moron

 

The anger about saving 1100 jobs continues...

 

That's the point that has got leftists ANGRY. Obama has done NOTHING for eight straight years except blame the right and badmouth this nation at every turn while Trump -- not even sworn in as president yet -- simply went to the company and said, "I've got a bit of time today and so let's wheel and deal for a bit." Whammo . . . done . . . deal.

 

What garbage. Health insurance is far more expensive under Obamacare.

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Yep. The real reason the left is mad is because they just lost future out of work voters.

 

oh gosh.....then if that's true we need to put those Americans out of work right away....Trump is wrong saving jobs. Its much better to have them unemployed and having us pay for their welfare benefits right? That doesn't cost us anything.

 

Carrier got $7K per job from Indiana.

If you multiply that by the 12M manufacturing workers in America, I think you will agree that is a huge amount of tax cut to deal with. Plus, it raises real questions concerning how taxes are going to be administered going forward. To what extent will Indiana have its governor decide how much taxes each company will pay?

Plus, manufacturing isn't the only segment we have.

And, let's note that Carrier fired 1,300 people not covered by Trump's deal.

 

Allowing someone to keep more of their own money is not welfare, and state and local governments have engaged in wheeling and dealing with groups of citizens who form corporations to build businesses which will hire people, who will pay taxes, and buy stuff and once established they themselves pay taxes that were abated over the a period.

Are you really so shocked this goes on?

 

So Trump bribed them with other peoples money... and paid thousands and thousands of dollars per job for his PR stunt.

What happened to his promise to punish them with tariff for goods they imports. Instead he just threw taxpayer money at them. Is that his plan to make America great, throw taxpayer money at any corporation that threatens to move jobs out of the country?

I am not surprised this is what he did. He has a history of paying bribes with other peoples money, like stealing from charity to pay a bribe to the Florida AG. I guess this is what conservatives think is "great"

 

Businesses have been creating jobs in spite of him. The jobs he tried to create playing boy-industrialist failed never getting us back to the employment levels the Democrats inherited in 2007. It's been SEVEN years since the recession ended and we have never gotten into a full recovery and never recovered the workforce levels AND what was need to keep up the growth levels.

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Prove it was just the state tax abatement .

What was the Obama administration doing to keep jobs here and what was Clinton going to do, raise taxes and increase regulations, yeah that's the ticket. Obama wouldn't even negotiate with companies or talk to them and of course we know he didn't support the people willing risk their wealth to create new companies and new jobs especially at the rate we need them.

All he did was think about it every day. Whenever ask what is he doing about it it seems his only answer was "I wake up thinking about it every morning".

 

as you can see I asked what Obama did to save those carrier jobs and the left is silent. The facts are a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) to get around aren't they? Obama did nothing.....the answer my leftist friends was...he did nothing....zip, nada..zilch, zilcheroo, zero....0....scratch...zippo...goose egg

 

what people like Sanders can't grasp is lets say for the sake of argument a company looking for a state to build a plant is offered $1,000,000 in incentives by California. The company employs 1000 people with a median pay of $25,000. Each of those employees will pay about 3500 in federal taxes and $300 in state tax. That is 3.5 million in tax revenue for the feds and 300K for the state. Now the majority of the disposable income will be spent in the community on houses, cars, food, and fuel creating even more tax revenue and paying salaries for other business which wil pay taxes etc. Such a simple concept but so hard for libs to grasp

http://taxformcalculator.com/tax/25000.html

 

Good lord......Healthcare insurnace has bee rising at untenable rates some the early 90's. Blaming Obama for that is like blaming the iceberg for the Titanic

 

cbs as in CBS just reported that those jobs were already written off before Trump was even nominated. In other words, Obama lost those jobs. They were all slated to be gone until TRUMP stepped in and personally saved 800 to 1000 jobs. What did Obama do to save them before Trump was nominated? Nothing. Even Burger King left under Obama....freakn burger king.

 

No, I'm interested in what the policy is going forward. And, no I don't actually care about Carrier - which is going to fire 1,300 employees regardless of this deal.

There are 12M+ manufacturing workers in America. Is $7K per employee going to be Trump policy?

He says he'll meet with individual companies that think they may want to open manufacturing in some other country. Is tax going to be administered by the US executive branch and local governors making one-off deals for those companies that look like they might do so?

Socialism has government controlling corporate policy. So, now we have Trump saying he's going to visit the board rooms of companies who aren't doing what he wants them to do.

Aren't you at least slightly interested in what's coming down the pike?

 

Yep, Obama has done nothing for eight years and our leftists adore him for that. Trump not even sworn in as president yet, saw a problem, acknowledged it, thought about it, devised a plan, implemented the plan, and SOLVED the problem. Things are already looking BAD for the Left.

 

Not surprising, but you completely missed the point.

He didn't save any jobs, he BOUGHT them with your tax dollars. The fact that righties cant see that doesn't surprise me.

But you also wont hold him accountable for his campaign promise of Tariffs to save jobs. See Tariffs mean that companies DON'T get tax breaks to stay, and to stay they have to pay fair wages. THAT was his promise to the "American Worker" for their vote. But instead, Trump gave them a break with YOUR MONEY, and then will let them lower wages.

You have been had in the most blatant way, and your still defending him.

Hell, Stevie Wonder can see what he did !!!!!

 

And these are good jobs, not obama jobs.

 

reading comprehension for the win

is this really so hard for people like yourself to grasp?

 

Trump at least seems to want to publicly address this issue, sure prices might go up, they may get some tax breaks, people may scream, but it has to be done

we need to make sure it cost as much to move or outsource labor to overseas

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YES and you should be too. This is government picking winners and losers. And that "wheeling and dealing" is almost always a tax incentive. Who do you think picks up the cost of that break that they get ?

 

we know that's why we voted for trump. He does care. He saved 800 families from an extremely bad situation.

 

You mean that he did something intelligent with taxpayers' money rather than pull an Obama and use it as a political slush fund? Yeah . . . that was bad.

On the other hand Trump recognized a problem and solved it and now a thousand families PLUS all the little companies doing business with Carrier are going to be okay. It's too bad that Obama is too much of a leftist to ever actually solve any problems as president. All he EVER DID was point the trembling finger of blame rightward while badmouthing this nation in general. Oh and he played a LOT of golf . . . all . . . the . . . damn . . . time.

 

Indiana added 300,000 manufacturing jobs between now and 2010.

And, yes, this deal didn't save 1,300 jobs.

And, no, Carrier getting a state tax break is not an Obama issue. You may remember that federal taxes is a legislative issue where Republicans have remained as a total partisan stonewall.


Again, I'm interested in policy. What does it mean for other Indiana companies.

What is US policy going forward? Are we really going to have Trump dropping in on the board meetings of corporations that plan to add manufacturing outside the US? Is he going to try to get state governors to make sweetheart tax deals (or is the president going to do that as executive actions against the IRS)??

 

What part of people paying into the system rather than taking from the system don't you get. Your tax dollars went up in smoke with the likes of Solyndra 550 million. Is there somewhere I can see your statement trashing Obama for frivolously giving billions to green energy companies that went bankrupt almost immediately after they were funded using YOUR tax dollars?- BTW Carrier is actually profitable.