Trump is tearing our country apart

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I don't see why other people do not immediately understand what Trump is doing??

    He is working things in the same way a CEO of a major corporation would negotiate deals to benefit that corporation except in this case it is for the benefit of the U.S.

    After all if you are trying to negotiate a deal so the Japanese or Germans pay more of the costs of keeping U.S. Forces in their nation that defend their nation you certainly do not go and say....'Oh yeah NATO is GREAT and we really need t and it is vital to U.S. Interests but by the way can YOU pay more so we don't have to pay so much?"

    And the Germans have always responded to this as this is the way in the past our U.S. Administrations have handled things with a..."Uh...no if it is so important to You then YOU PAY!!!" LOL!!!

    Trump is saying....."OK...we are going to withdraw U.S. Forces out of your nation UNLESS YOU PAY MORE OF THE COSTS!!!"

    What do you think Germany and Japan and the other allies are saying???

    They are saying...."OH S#!T!!!!"

    LOL!!!

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    Yes. I was actually being facetious. The assertion being made was that we were forced into voting for candidates. In a way, we are. But that is because a candidate or platform must be rallied around. You're not going to agree with every policy on it, you'll have to compromise, your neighbor won't agree with you, but you find common denominators. Fist fight out a platform...and then go sell it.
     
  3. AboveAlpha

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    Oh OK sorry I missed that.

    Right now although I think Trump can be one scary and crazy SOB......I know he is going to GUT all the crap that has been going on in Washington that the politicians both Dem's and Republican's do NOT want to remove as they are making money on it!!!

    Trump I believe just signed an Executive Order to end NEPOTISM in Washington!!

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  4. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you aware of the damage thus far caused by the Trump administration to our country?? Are you aware that it might take years, if not decades to reverse the damage caused by his hamfisted decisions?? Ideally he'll be removed from office by whatever legal means are necessary before the damage is permanent!
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, a lot of people don't understand what Trump is doing. They don't know what negotiation is. In fact most of them think the world is a fragile place that will break like a fine china set on the way down if anything upsets the status quo.
     
  6. Johnny-C

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    He is certainly ADDING to the literal woes of this society. (He doesn't seem to be sane.)
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Surely Benghazi was just a tragic accident??? I mean how were they supposed to know that the security situation would be that bad on that day? And if I recall the existing security was absent during the event?
     
  8. Johnny-C

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    Good points.

    As for me... I'm not talking about Benghazi ever again. (The whole damned thing was used by right wing congressional extremists, as a distraction, a smoke screen... and political deflection.)

    That is all that became of it. :(
     
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    So the 4 dead Americans was all propaganda?
     
  10. AboveAlpha

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    Wga watch the movie 13 Hours.

    It is the true story of what happened.

    We had a makeshift U.S. Embassy in Benghazi that was improperly secured mostly due to the fault of the U.S. State Dept.

    A short distance away we had a secret CIA compound guarded by a number of paid U.S. Security Forces.

    When the embassy was attacked the CIA Station Chief called in what was happening and the U.S. State Dept., POTUS and the U.S. Military were immediately informed.

    Hillary Clinton convinced Obama NOT to send the U.S. Merc's guarding the CIA Compound right down the road to come to the aid of the Embassy and th U.S. Merc's could not stand it anymore and they left all on their own to go help the Ambassador but they were too late as he was killed along with another member of the CIA.

    Then the attackers turned their gaze upon the CIA Compound and attacked it and the CIA people there along with the U.S. Merc's guarding it were screaming for help to the State Dept. and Clinton and we had our Military ready to get there but Clinton and Obama REFUSED TO SEND U.S. FORCES IN TO HELP THEM!!!

    The CIA members at the compound begged the State Dept. and the U.S. Military which wanted to help but was told by POTUS and the State Dept. NOT TO HELP.....they begged them just to send a few F-16's to just FLY OVERHEAD of the attack force which would have put the fear of GOD and the U.S. MILITARY into them which would have most likely stopped the attack BUT CLINTON AND OBAMA TOLD THE U.S. MILITARY NOT TO DO IT!!

    As a result members of the U.S. Security Team DIED as well.

    IT WAS CRIMINAL!!!

    And it could have been avoided!!

    Watch the movie as you will enjoy it.

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  11. AboveAlpha

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    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!!!!

    GOOD MEN DIED FOR NOTHING!!!!

    Clinton and POTUS REFUSED to allow the U.S. Military to respond and they REFUSED to give the go ahead to allow the U.S. Merc's guarding the CIA Compound right down the road from the embassy to go help the U.S. Ambassador!!!

    So those U.S. Merc's got P!$$ED OFF and just went on their own against orders but they got their too late to save the ambassador and a CIA member.

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    No, that's just the partisan nonsense spewed by Republican Representatives.
     
  13. Professor Peabody

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    There was nothing to indicate there might be an attack in Benghazi :roll:
     
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    Name one thing the Republican House and Senate accomplished in the last 2 YEARS!

    And, then point to compromises Republican congressmen agreed to in the 6 years prior to that.


    That is, besides voting a few more times to kill our health care system about 60 times - lol!
     
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    The business of any country worth having is blocking trump
     
  16. wgabrie

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    Well, from my point of view whenever I hear about Benghazi, I remember on my old forums (that don't exist anymore), I keep thinking about the day one of the posters went on there started a thread topic and was like I'm going on a diplomatic mission to Benghazi please pray for me.

    Now it was at this time that I began a practice of saying the name of a place to myself and seeing what amount of shock, dread, or negative sense a place gave off and I called it the psychic infamy of the place.

    Well when I checked out Benghazi I got a terrible sense like off the charts. So I told the poster on his thread that something terrible was going to happen, and he asked what he should do. Well I didn't know what he should do. But it's not like he could NOT go there, he had to go, so I told him to just do the best that he can to be careful, and I left it at that and hoped for the best.

    :eekeyes::(
     
  17. Johnny-C

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    Get off it!!

    It's not like we haven't ALL be taken there and back and there and back... etc.

    Time to move on.
     
  18. Genius

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    That is truth.
     
  19. Gatewood

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    When I read your stuff all I read is CNN and MSNBC and Daily KOS style leftist bashing of Trump because he is Trump. When I ignore leftist propaganda, however, and pay attention to what Trump actually does I see a president actively engaged in pulling this nation out of neck deep immersion in Cultural Marxism and in disastrous radical leftist domestic and foreign policy results. I guess I will trust my eyes to leftist propaganda.
     
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    That's pretty much what it amounts to, yes. But of course it's only the Muslims who fully intend to go that route eventually anyway. So even if this combination Islamic Terrorist AND Leftist claim is true, it amounts to flushing plague rats into the open where an exterminator can see them and get at them. Result!
     
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    Certainly back in the years 2008 through 2010 we TOLD smug and arrogant leftists what the end results of their political tactics would be for their party -- as it was blatantly obvious back then in regards to the writing on the wall -- and we were correct as we watch the ruins of the Dem Party smoldering like a trash heap on the verge of a rubbish fire.
     
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    So the tradition carries on by listening to MSNBC/CNN/The Daily KOS/ and The Huffington Post? Sweet!
     
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    He is largely doing exactly what he said he was going to do and stood for, and people voted for him, what the hell did they think he was going to do if elected and handed the majority of Congress to the GOP? I can't complain he is at least largely sticking to his platform that's more than I can say for a lot of politicians.
     
  24. TomFitz

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    An easily discredited assertion.

    Conservatives started with the race baiting well before Obama won the election. Fox Noise was beating the Reverend Wright guilt by association drum nine months before he became President.

    Every election during the Obama presidency was tinged by right wing race baiting.

    Conservatives manufactured an entire "birther" movement to play that card, and eventually, one of the crackpots who pushed it wound up in the White House. That the entire thing was a silly lie is in no doubt. Taht many right wingers belive it still be cause it appeals to the core bigot in them is also not in doubt.

    Obama did not cause any of these things to happen, no matter how hard one tries to claim other wise.

    Donald Trump began his campaign with race baiting and promoting an "us versus them" mentality. It has been his consistant theme right up to this very day.

    Anyone who would even suggest that Donald Trump doesn't lie or didn't lie during his campaign is an absolute blind fool! Trump is a practiced and professional liar, and has been every day of his life. Honest people don't screw their subcontractors or welsh on their business deal, as Trump has a long history of doing. Trump is the most openly venal and corrupt man ever to serve in high office in the United States. This is entirely apart from any ideological concern. Trump is a con man, pure and simple.

    Ask for examples if you want. Prepare to be buried.

    Your attempt to portray opposition to Trump as "probably some leftists" is both weak and dishonest.

    It is large (almost twice as large as the inaugral (dispite Trump's false claims), and global. Trump lost the popular vote by the largest margin ever recorded by a candidate who won the electoral college. And the margin that put him over the top in the Electoral College was smaller than the popuation of most rural counties. Moreover, his approval ratings have shrunk considerably since election day, and will continue to do so.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Sorry, but you're the one who goes for fake news.
     
  25. Gatewood

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    I would alter only one thing from MIGHT to "Might hell! IF you are all that then you very definitely ARE a Democrat."

    Very nice analysis by the way . . . :clapping:
     
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