Liberal hatred of Trump is going to get Americans killed

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by logical1, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. willburroughs

    willburroughs Well-Known Member

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    Conservative ball-chugging of Trump is going to get Americans killed. <has just as much validity as your blather>
     
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    Tell me, if you know. What were the chances of two air liners killing 3000 of us, and bringing down two landmark towers, not to mention the other buildings? In this case hindsight tells us we could have avoided that. Protecting America should never be dependent upon ideological beliefs but that is the case today. This is a huge nation. The chances of you being killed by terrorists is slim. But they have killed many people here, in Europe. So, your odds of being killed personally are slim, but you can bet your arse more americans will be killed. What is ONE American life worth to you? For me, it is so valuable that the chances of another being killed by terrorists should one chance in a quintillion. And whatever must be done to increase it to those odds, since it involves someone's life is the duty of any president. Trump didn't go far enough with that EO. But congress needs to get off their arses and legislate to get the odds as low as humanly possible. That is their job, if they have any job at all. But to risk our lives because of a faux liberal belief is placing an ideology over human life, which is irresponsible. It shows a basic lack of fundamental values. And therefore utterly disgusting.
     
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    And, the FACT that other presidents have done the EXACT SAME THING, but without the leftist hysteria, 'We're all going to die!! Trump is a bigoted racist hater!!'

    Do these idiots not understand the threat of islamic terrorism? Are they THAT duped by the progressive siren calls? Has reason & common sense left the building, along with Elvis?
     
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    Trump is going to get Americans killed.
     
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    White america is looking worse and worse to minorities everyday. I wish white america would understand how bad blacks are talking about whites since the elections at barbershops, churches and dinners.
     
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    That's a bullying tactic. Do as we say or we'll HARM you!!!
     
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    OP, just have to go with the law. Most reps are law abiding, the fascist dems will break laws to get their way. If Trump takes it to SOTUS and they say no...back to the drawing board.
     
  8. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberals against Trump dont want to talk about these things.

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    No you are aiding the harming of the country.
     
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    I would be interested in knowing what you think the Republican party did to your last president.
     
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    The fact that we have a total incompetent in the Oval Office may get some people killed.

    The fact that we have people satisfied...in fact, rejoicing...that we have a total incompetent in that office is another thing that may people killed.

    People disheartened by the fact that a total incompetent is in the Oval Office...won't.
     
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    It might help if you knew the def of liberal. From the Latin ,free, but then I'm guessing you didn't take Latin in high school. You do know
    1. White boys have killed more of us here than Muslims since 911?
    2. Muslims here are better educated than the average white boy?
    3. Muslims here have higher incomes than the average white boy.?
    You should be grateful for Muslims increasing the average IQ of our populace
    No problem re activist judges in bush v gore?
     
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    'White boys?' You turning this into a race meme? The ban is regional, not race or religion based. What is the point of playing the race card in this, except that is the Main Line of Defense for the left?
     
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    Completely disagree------It is trump that is going to get American's killed---He should have read the constitution, he should have had "competent Attorney's" look over his executive order---
    It is trump that is incompetent ---"NOT" the Judges----
    What you are mistaken about in my Opinion is that trump won the election---"WE" the people did not elect trump-trump elected trump-the FBI'S preliminary findings say "It is confirmed that there was hacking done into the 2016 voting data bases or DRE'S" the FBI has the pin #'s & are continuing to investigate who those pin numbers lead back to.I believe those pin numbers will lead back to trump---
    No, the anger is not blind,it is not psychotic-there is only one person that is psychotic & needs some professional mental health & that is" trump"---
     
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    The Federal "judges" didn't even name anything unconstitutional. They said they are in charge of the U.S.A. foreign policy and they say everyone in the entire world can come here not matter who they are or what their purpose is. Federal law enforcement isn't even allowed to inquire of the country the person is coming from as to whether a known terrorist, ISIS, wanted mass murder and rapists or any other inquiry.

    Name what is "unconstitutional" about President Trump's temporary order? That ISIS in Iraq and Syria have Constitutional right to come to the USA?
     
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    A few days ago Tucker on FOX was interviewing a Democrat Congressman. Tucker pointed out that the Congressman has always publicly urged allowing people to buy prescription drugs at a lower cost from Canada. Pointing out that Trump also supports this, Tucker asked the Democrat if he will support Trump on this since the Democrat Congress always has. The Congress explain that he can not support anything Trump proposes even if agrees with it because Trump is a tyrant who has insulted women and Mexicans. Therefore, we will oppose anything Trump advocated even if the Congressman otherwise supports it. Summary: He would let Americans die unable to afford their prescriptions even in a way he supports to oppose the President.

    It is raw partisan and establishment hatred and had NOTHING to do with any issues. Pure bad loser tantrum throwing juvenile hate.
     
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    GOP had a long history of not caring about the bottom of this society or them dying or not dying on the streets as long as the bodies are picked up.
     
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    People see what they want to see.
     
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    Given Trump past statements, that you can find on youtube, we all know that it is indeed a religion ban and little else.
     
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    Muslim fanatics have already admitted they do nasty stuff, so the pics and news reports merely confirm it. For example here's a recent drone shot of the Taliban messing about near a water supply in Afgh, so we can put two and two together and assume they're also messing with water elsewhere too..;)

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    Favoring one religion over another, anti-Immigration policy referring back to the Chinese Exclusion Act repealed on the basis that it was discriminatory; legal precedent, and yes, if a judge blocks something, that makes its enforcement unconstitutional.

    Why is anti-immigration the be all end all? There are so many other ways to get stop terrorists. First of all, the Internet is one of the top places terrorists radicalize people; censorship. Refugees are the next hot topic; they belong in controlled refugee camps, and should not be treated or considered immigrants. We are trading in the Middle East even though we denounce their countries; trade embargo them, they don't deserve American trade and we don't particularly need anything from there unless you really love your dates and lower oil prices (we get most of our oil from Canada, the 21% that comes from the Middle East would raise gas prices a bit but it's not something we can't handle). As for terrorists in the US already; secret police force that is in the government and the streets, stops terrorist attacks and stops them from infiltrating the government, furthermore, they should have legal precedent to pull people out of office if necessary (replacements will obviously be elected figures).
     
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    I occasionally click on your posts. No joy yet.
     
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    Interesting how Republicans can get the facts wrong in attacking liberals.

    James Robart was the federal judge that issued the stay against the Republican White House executive order and he's a conservative justice appointed by former President Bush.

    The 9th District Court of Appeals review was by three Appeals Court Justices was a unanimous decision that included Senior Federal Judge Richard Clifton that is also a conservative justice appointed by former President Bush.

    So of the four justices involved in the federal court and the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals all of which ruled against the Republican White House executive order on the "stay" of the order, half of them are conservative justices appointed by former President Bush.

    That sort of shoots the "radical left wing judges" Republican BS right out the window.
     
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    The "refugee camp" is nothing more than a prison when there's no likelihood of the refugee ever being able to return to their country of origin in a reasonable amount of time. We can't lock up people indefinitely when we know that it's unlikely they will ever be able to go home. The perfect example are the Syrian refugees that have the tyranny of the government on one hand and the terrorism of ISIS on the other. The likelihood of both of those problems ending within the next decade is virtually non existent.

    We also know that "how" immigration is allowed makes a huge difference in whether a terrorist threat ever develops with refugees. In Europe the Muslim refugees are isolated and excluded from integration with society. They're forced into isolated communities and excluded from becoming an integrated part of the society and culture of the nations where they're being relocated. White Nationalism in the Western European countries is very high currently and it's this culture of White (Christian) Nationalism that excludes the Muslim refugees that marginalizes them resulting in the terrorist threat against those countries.

    The United States doesn't have a problem with political refugees for several reasons. Only a small percentage are identified for overseas relocation by the United Nations so we start out with a relatively small number of refugees to address from the beginning. Our vetting process has been extremely good historically and we go far beyond just allowing them to immigrate to the United States. We also have a very good program of ensuring that the refugee is relocated appropriately and that they're assisted with both finding employment as well as being socially integrated into the American society. We have very good private organizations involved in our relocation to the United States for political refugees that our government takes full advantage of.

    Because of our differences in how we address political refugees from our vetting process to our relocation and integration of foreign political refugees we've overcome the problems that Europe faces. In the last 40 years not a single political refugee to the United States has committed a terrorist act against the United States. These refugees love the United States because they have a true appreciation for our liberty and freedom because of the oppression they've personally experienced before relocating to the United States.

    Our problem is a "domestic terrorism" problem that can often come from the children of political refugees. They don't have the personal experiences of the tyranny or terrorism that their parents have. While their parents can ignore the anti-Muslim hatred of the "White Christian Nationalists" in the United States because it's not nearly as bad as what they experienced before coming to the United States their children don't have that advantage. Their children are marginalized, just like the Muslim refugees in Europe that aren't integrated into society, and these marginalized Muslims represent a threat of domestic terrorism in the United States.

    Read the following study to gain an understanding of our problem.
    https://behavioralpolicy.org/articl...-radicalization-risk-among-muslim-immigrants/

    Our threat is not nor has it ever been the political refugee. Our threat is created by "racists" marginalizing the Muslim children that leaves the Muslim child excluded from our American society and culture and that makes the children susceptible to the terrorist propaganda on the internet. Our integration into the American society is failing for the second and third generation Muslims that come to America.

    We know the real problem and it's not the Muslim refugee. It's the American "racists" that hate Muslims that excludes Muslims raised in the United States from our society and culture that's creating the Muslim terrorist threat to the United States.
     
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    All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the United States.

    The United States responds to identified terrorist threats against the United States and our intelligence services have not identified any terrorist threat based upon "nationality" or the "religion" of any group of people. In fact:

    https://behavioralpolicy.org/articl...-radicalization-risk-among-muslim-immigrants/
     
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    Domestic Terrorism has absolutely nothing to do with immigration.

    It's annoying when all that Republicans have to talk about when it comes to domestic terrorism is "Islamic" domestic terrorism when we have a far worse form of terrorism in the United States that existed far longer and isn't being addressed by Republicans at all.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/terror-attacks-trump-wont-talk-about-white-supremacists

    These types of White Supremacy terrorist attacks have been going on for decades, or more accurately all the way back to the end of the Civil War, with little to no reaction by Republicans today. Apparently if it's a white Christian committing an act of terrorism it isn't worth commenting on but if it's a "Muslim" then let's blame all of the Muslims for the act of terrorism.
     

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