Would you have used the atom bomb on Japan in WWII if you were Prez?

You really should review the source from my last post to understand this topic, and read my reply below. The Soviets entering the war was the last straw for Japan, not the bombs.

And at risk of straying off topic. Yes Lincoln was wrong and made the wrong choice, caring more for the Union than the lives of the people on it.

 

Thanks for the heads-up. It's not like I haven't seen this all over the internet. I'll continue to argue that waiting was simply counterproductive with no guarantee that fewer lives would have been lost.

 

Wow, now I am confused. May I should just go back to being a drunk! As Tyrion Lannister said, "I drink, and I know things...."

."Sorry, Tojo... this one's got a nuclear tip!"

 

Laughable is your arguing those military leaders fired for pursuing attacking China and Russia with nuclear weapons are the military leaders that were "geniuses."

 

Laughable is any suggestion you know more than them. Lol

 

Not a one. Why in the actual duck would I shed tears for our enemies?

You keep saying that, and yet they still dropped the bomb. And are you saying the soviets wouldn't have invaded if the US hadn't ended the war?

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Say what you want about the Soviets but something you can't deny is that when those little bastards wanted something, they found a way to do it.

 

They would not have invaded. Please.....this is ridiculous

 

This is the core of your reasoning:

IF the UK and USA had agreed to provide Japan with the materials to conquer all of Asia and China to add to their empire - and if the UK, France and USA would have agreed to provide Hitler with the materials he needed to add Central Europe, Southern Europe and Western Russia to the German empire - then there would have been no World War 2.

I gather that from this assisting both to massively build their imperial Empires to massive size, power and wealth, your view is that if we made it possible for Japan and Germany both to become massively more powerful militarily that would not try to also add us to their imperialistic war-based Empires because - although they were sadistic and racist mass murderers - they would like us for making them so much more powerful and wealthy than we then would be.

Isn't that your reasons? We provoked Japan by not providing the materials to the Japanese Empire to be able to conquer and control China and all of Asia, right?

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... because Stalin was a nice guy who treasured all human life, right?

 

Wow. Reaching into the bottom of your hope barrel in desperation are we? The soviets were already in the middle of preparing fur thier invasion same as us.

 

after the atom bomb was dropped on japan and America saved europe, America was burdened with rebuilding england and japan at its expense.

half of America was left behind in poverty while the other half of America got richer from unfair trade that stole wealth from its own people.

usually loans are given with interest, and england still owes America interest on this loan so it can rebuild the poorer half of its country after the expenses of world war 2. the original loan was for 4.34 billion, and today that is worth 27 billion dollars.

please have your queen write a check for a reparations fund of approximately 23 billion dollars still owed to all oppressed Americans who suffer from minimum wage, inadequate welfare, and no health care.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...talment-of-us-loan-after-61-years-430118.html

 

I can see logic and truth in your observations! Again, I'm not trying to preach from some "morality" pulpit... on the contrary, I'm trying to be rather impassively pragmatic and empirical in my assessment.

Commodore Perry (acting as the U. S. Government) forcibly opened Japan to American manipulation at the point of deck-mounted guns in 1853. Inadvertently, we opened a "Pandora's Box" because the Japanese took our model and our technology and adopted them very, very well. We had, in essence, created a MONSTER that caused us nothing but trouble later. By the time we tried to make this former "house pet" follow orders, it was becoming too late. So, Winnie and Frankie (having other reasons to do so anyway) used the tactic of threatening to cripple and choke Japan's industry and military to death with a total embargo, leaving them vulnerable, once again, to whatever any foreign invader might like to do to them.... The result? The Pearl Harbor attack, along with Japanese invasion of many portions being held by Britain.

It was a means to an end, pure and simple. And you've got to give Winnie and Frankie credit, because it definitely did END Japan's days as a major world power and got them completely out of China (and everywhere else), it did get the U. S. into the war between Britain and Nazi Germany, and it did end the Great Depression in the United States. No "morality play" from me on any of this. Means to an end. It worked.

. "It's too bloody bad we didn't start the war ten years earlier than we did!"

 

But, of course they did! They would have rather gone about a long drawn out invasion, fighting block-to-block and house-to-house in major urban areas, resulting in death and injury to Millions, instead of a few hundred thousand.

 

Exactly how would thet have invaded

 

Why would we have invaded?

 

Which of them said this? We've provided evidence of those in opposition to or skeptical of the necessity for the nukes. There must be evidence of their support for a protracted invasion. If what you say is true.

 

To secure Japan. It seems a few of us saw the WW2 movies where our men took long times to take an island that was not large. Multiply that by thousands since Japan is not one island, but many islands.

Factor in our men die when they fought Japan. We had high losses. The losses we had in Iraq would not hardly move the needle. Japan had an excellent plan of defense. All citizens would fight us.

 

The UK paid off the loan in full with interest as agreed when the loan was arranged.

 

You have never served and certainly was not an officer or else you would know what a complete falsehood you posted

 

You raise an interesting question!

In theory, by the end of 1945, we could have simply blockaded all Japanese ports with our Navy and continued conventional, saturation bombing with B-29 aircraft. At some point, the Japanese would have been driven to utter desperation with their entire civilization destroyed, starving, and utterly destitute.
"Emperor worship" is only a cherished thing among the living... and with the passing of every week there would have been fewer and fewer Japanese who were....

But, it had become crucially important to keep the Soviet Union out of Japan and that portion of East Asia. Truman realized that Roosevelt had left Europe in a dreadful mess that was rapidly being exploited by Stalin. It was vital that his aspirations be shut down as quickly as possible. The atomic bomb provided an excellent "object lesson" in what could happen to anybody who (*)(*)(*)(*)ed with the United States, going forward....

Oh, sure, a very few years later, China, Russia, and North Korea all showed they didn't give a damn about our atomic bombs because they knew that Truman would never drop another one -- especially after Russia demonstrated that they, too, had atomic weapons in 1949 (thanks to our own stupidity).

Bottom line: General Patton was murdered. General Douglas MacArthur was fired. The "Cold War" that began in 1945 lasted until Ronald Reagan brought about the conditions for the end of the Soviet Union at the end of 1991, approximately 48 years later. BUT, we had no more nuclear weapons used in a war....

 

Russia did not have the navy to invade japan....were they going to swim? LOL

 

englands debt to the America was not adjusted for inflation, they only agreed to pay 4.34 billion which is worth 27 billion dollars today.

America got ripped off saving europe and dropping the atomic bomb.

 

Not really, the Japanese had something over a million troops, well supplied veterans, in Manchuria, who had been virtually untouched by the war since they invaded in the 1930's. Somehow getting these back home and throwing them into the fray was a big part of their hopes that we could be convinced to spare the Emperor, who everybody, including the Emperor, thought we were going to hang immediately. (Hirohito was actually brave about it, he didn't want the war to continue for his sake and offered himself up to MacArthur immediately after the surrender).

I don't have a primary source and don't even remember the secondary, but I did read an article where a cadre of younger officers was going to stage a coup to keep the surrender from going through, but stopped when they heard Manchuria was invaded.

 

Wow. No wonder your opinions on the matter are so ass backwards. You have literally no freaking clue what the hell you are talking about. What you just said is 110% absolutely, undeniably FALSE!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Navy

Jesus this was freaking hilarious. Thank you for once and for all destroying any credibility you had on the subject.

 

You should be embarrassed if you think they could have invaded japan with that fleet. I feel bad for you right now

 

Dude. No. Just go. You are not allowed to try and make any more "arguments." You made such an absolutey ignorant claim and couldn't even take 10 full seconds on google to verify it first. You clearly have no actual clue whatsoever what you are talking about. Just go.