Seriously, why do you fear Universal Healthcare as a solution for US?

I look forward to trolling the political world bigger than Trump did. The main difference? You'll be happy with all of the improvements.

 

Excessive long wait times........

The cost for 2 adults without children is $11,381, that's $5690.50 per adult or $474.20 per adult per month in higher taxes to pay for Government "free" universal health care. Right now my employer pays $465 and I pay $64 which will drop to $32 a month once I lose weight and fit into their "health" matrix. Where's the extra money in my pocket? Looks like a windfall for employers though.

 

I knew at some point there would be a contest to see who has the biggest narcissistic problem. (Sorry, I like your spirit. But I'm still voting for The Donald.)

 

Really? Go to the CIHI.ca sight and get educated.

 

But then reality never was your strong suit.

 

Really? Name one Canadian politician.....just one....running on a plan to do away with single payer healthcare. He would get laughed out of the country

 

Vegas...it really does appear as though these guys want the US to be as far down on the list of countries that tend to these kinds of things.

I have trouble imagining ideological orthodoxy that compelling...but maybe the puppet masters threaten them with bodily harm.

We'll eventually get past this nonsense...and after we do, they will probably try to take credit for it.

 

Now is not the time to do something that expensive. We're almost 19 trillion in the hole. Then you want the government-paid health care? We'll tank!

 

Fair enough, having choices doesn't work for you.

If i have a heart attack on a plane and a doctor on board is willing to help then i am fortunate. I don't live in fear of what "might" happen.

Health care begins and ends with the individual and the choices we make. Education will help folks make better choices for better or worse. Basic care would cost less if we stop expecting insurance to pay for it and stop overusing it.

Education for time served is a reasonable trade off.

 

Single payer saves money in the long term

 

Yes, that's one of its selling points. Lowers incentives raises savings.

However we'd be spending a lot more in the short term and it would cause havoc. It's why it won't happen

 

The debt is not the emergency you think it is.

 

Maybe. Depends on the integrity of who that payer is.

 

It is the government and it works in every other first world nation

 

Patents do not preserve the value of research. Patents only limit competition. Once patents expire competitors rush into provide generic alternative and drive the market costs down. You seem to be arguing for the loss of profits big-pharma would suffer as if for some reason I'm supposed to be sympathetic for big-pharma not being able to continue ripping off people that need medical treatment. The FDA regulates quality control, and I'm not suggesting ending that. Although House Republicans have plans in place to deregulate just about everything from the banks to environmental protection, healthcare included. If you think Flint Michigan had bad water issues you ain't seen nothing yet.
Not to mention that we have a lot of pharmaceutical drugs imported (since we barely make anything ourselves aside of garbage and ex-cons). And other Countries that are getting the same drugs by the same manufactures for the same cost aren't jacking up their consumer prices the way that it happens in the US. They also allow people that studied medicine somewhere out side of their nation to still use that same degree to practice medicine inside their nation. On a per-capita bases you explain to me why other nations with smaller economies can afford to do something that the US cannot. You explain to me why college tuition rates in the US jumped from $3,000 to $30,000 over the last 40 years. And here's the really interesting thing about our sky-rocketing education cost (claimed to be because of all the fancy amenities), somehow bed space for one year in prison is more expensive than college. Considering that college graduates are less likely to commit crime than non-college graduates, and the US houses 25% of the global prison population despite the fact that only 4.4% of the world's population residing in the US begs the question of why we don't have enough public colleges for all students to go to and mandate admission for anyone found guilty of committing a crime? We could save tens of $ billions in useless housing for an industry that has the highest recidivism rates. After all, we're not talking about "who pays" but rather why the costs are justified. If you just want to scream "Capitalism" all day then you need to recognize that Capitalism is bankrupting us. Capitalism it's what's sending our jobs overseas and importing guest-workers (that overstay their Visa's and have anchor-babies) that become known as illegals that we cater to (granting them more rights than the average US citizen). More ex-cons and harboring illegal immigrants all in the name of the mighty dollar for .01% of the US's wealthiest, is that really what you support?

 

Narcissism is only a problem if you don't recognize it. I recognize it, and thus work to improve myself to fit my ego. I wouldn't have named the people I named, if I didn't believe I was smarter. And hell, I still want to work with them. In fact, it's the only way to improve government(even though that largely means me dragging them kicking and screaming to solutions ).

 

Eleven states (almost all Democratic) have been voting on single payer health insurance. Not a single one has figured out a way to make it financially viable. Not even the states with the highest per capita income. You want the federal government to do it because their ability to go into debt seems to be limitless.

 

Many countries make it work. And have done for decades.

 

That is the best argument the single payer folks have. It works for me it will work for you too. I love anchovies on my pizza therefore so will you.

 

The best argument is to see what works and do that

 

Then those states should do whatever it is the countries do.

 

I don't know if it's the best so much as the most obvious. And what is the argument for whatever you support?

 

Source?

 

Yeah the poor get ambulance stacking the rich get treated.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare