Foreign ministry reports Turkey does not recognize annexation of Crimea by Russia

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    That would drive him crazy...he may have a stroke!
     
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    Oh gee...there is that "nazi" propaganda thing again, it's a natural reaction it seems to most pro Russians for anyone who doesn't share their world vision. 1945 called they want you back!
     
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    Well perhaps the Russians maybe learned a thing or two by reading all those volumes.
     
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    I don't put much value into someone who quotes "Sputnik" endlessly, and when I ask my contact in kharkiv about it, theyve never heard of such a newspaper, same goes for stormfront Russia, a neo Nazi website, one should read some comments about what russian skinheads willing to do to the ethnics. Then come talk to me.
     
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    no, as long as ulus exists, they have looted Crimea and lugandon exactly the same way as they looted Western Ukraine-Belarus, south of Finland, Poland, Baltics, etc.
     
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    That is how they practice "cultural annihilation", destroy their past, deny the future, something like recently in DPR, the "freedom fighters" erected a bust of former NKVD Beria, another relic of the past. Seems they'll have a bright future. Perhaps 5 yr plans next?
     
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    Putin has no land army in Syria. Only airforces. So Turkey can not close anything. Besides Turkey will not quarrel with Russia as they have too many problems with EU now.
     
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    Maybe you tell us also about German gold reserves that were blocked by the US? The main difference between what was taken by the US and by USSR is that US had never experienced on their territories what USSR and all Europe experienced during WW2. So no moral right for the US to take whatever from Germany.
     
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    You apparently know nothing about the collapse of Soviet Union and the consequences of the collapse. Sputnik programm has nothing to do with the agreements that has been made long time before it existed. :grin: Go and educate yourself.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Soviet_states
     
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    I say "Sputnik" newswire or paper not space program. And the collapse of SU was part due to bankruptcy and the long engagement in astan.
     
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    man nothing no one close to your looting, why you guys looted so brutally western Belarus and Ukraine ?

    Poland

    "
    After the Soviet Union invaded Poland on September 17, 1939, it similarly engaged in the looting and destruction of the Polish cultural heritage.[9][18] It is estimated that soon after the invasion, about half of Polish museums and similar public institutions were dismantled in the territories occupied by the Soviets. Many items were shipped to Soviet museums such as the Moscow Museum of History and the Central Anti-Religious Museum (also in Moscow).[9] Other collections were simply done away with. For instance, during the liquidation of the Poland's Lwów Historical Museum in the early 1940, its holdings were transported to the basement of the Black (Czarna) Kamienica (pictured), away from public eye, and deliberately destroyed there.[17]

    Following the Soviet advance across the German-occupied Polish lands, the looting and plunder of anything of value continued[9] up to 1947 even though the looted territories were theoretically assigned to its own ally, the communist Poland already.[9][19][20] The Soviet forces engaged in particularly extensive plunder in the former eastern territories of Germany that were to be transferred to Poland, stripping them of any piece of equipment left behind.[9][10][21][22] Even the Polish Communists felt uneasy about the scope of their crimes. In 1945, the future Chairman of the Polish Council of State, Gen. Aleksander Zawadzki, worried that "raping and looting of the Soviet army would provoke a civil war"[23]

    See also: Rape during the liberation of Poland
    The operations of these "war trophy brigades" were regulated by detailed orders issued by Soviet vice-minister of defence Nikolai Bulganin in early 1946.[24] Until 1948 these brigades sent at least 239'000 freight cars to USSR transporting natural resources, complete factories and individual machines. Town of Bydgoszcz lost 30 complete factories and 250 ships, from Grudziądz the army confiscated all machinery from factories, regardless of their size. From Toruń all gristmills were taken, causing temporary deficit of bread. Blachownia Śląska lost a large, German-built synthetic fuel producing installation, transported to USSR on 10,000 train cars. Similar production line in Police was transported using 14,000 cars. Gliwice lost a pipe factory, Bobrek and Łabędy - iron furnaces. Complete power stations were taken from Miechowice, Zabrze, Zdzieszowice, Mikulczyce, Blachownia Śląska i Chełmsk Śląski. Smaller industries were also confiscated in Sosnowiec, Dąbrowa Górnicza, Częstochowa, Zgoda, Chorzów, Siemianowice, Poznań, Bydgoszcz, Grudziądz, Toruń, Inowrocław, Włocławek, Chojnice, Łódź, Dziedzice and Oświęcim.

    Farming animals were also significant target of looting: until 1 September 1945 the Red Army confiscated 506,000 cows, 114,000 sheep and 206,000 horses. In February 1945 alone over 72,000 tons of sugar was taken. In Toruń region alone 14,000 tons of grain, 20,000 of potatoes and 21,000 beetroots were taken during that period. These number represent looting alone, as the Polish government also supplied food to the Red Army officially at that time (150,000 tons of grains, 250,000 tons of potatoes, 25,000 tons of meat and 100,000 tons of straws).

    Individual Red Army soldiers were also allowed to send home "war trophies", with the weight depending on their rank, which resulted in widespread looting of private houses of anything valuable, including food, clothes, shoes, radios, jewelry, utensils, clothes, bicycles and even ceramical toilet bowls. Scale of individual looting can be estimated by the example of Russian town of Kursk, which received only 300 personal parcels from soldiers in January 1945 but till May their number reached 87'000.

    After these transports were finished, the Red Army also started looting the train infrastructure itself - repair yards, signalling installations and the rails themselves: around 5500 km of rails were looted.

    In 1946 the scale of looting was estimated by Polish authorities at 2.375 billions of 1938 dollars (equivalent of $54 billion in 2015 dollars).[25][26][27][28]"
     
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    I asked you to tell not about Soviet Union, but about the US.
    It is known from documents, that Marshal Rocossovskiy and Marshal Konev issued the directives according to which all people who were noticed in committed looting had to be severely punished.
     
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    Uhhh, there is no such thing as stormfront Russia, but look if you want to believe there is, then keep on believing it. I wouldn't want to disturb your peace of mind...

    As the saying goes:


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    Yah, there is..it's stormfront.org/ Russia section.
     
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    Nothing but Polish paranoia. So tell me Litwin, did you join the parade of the Waffen SS in Riga this year. I heard it was a real blast... especially when they marched to the beat of the Horst Wessel Lied. Makes the Nazi hearts beat proud, doesn't it?




    Now this one is just for you:


     
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    BLAH. BLAH. BLAH.
     
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    Goebbels is not gonna pay you, Litwin, he's dead already~ Stop working for him.
     
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    Quite evident to see when a pro russian troll loses an argument or have nothing to come back with always use the "nazi" line. Glaringly obvious.
     
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    Truth hurts?
     
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    Lies tire.
     
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    Well , so you say, but of course you'll say that since you don't remember and know almost nothing of your distant past, you wore diapers when SU collapsed, and everything discussed here is one big lie, according to you, and I'm sure you were taught nothing about any of this, and I doubt you travelled much...outside moscow that is.
     
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    Of, please..! Unlike you - I study history, not sit on my ass looking for excuses for propaganda.
     
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