Foreign ministry reports Turkey does not recognize annexation of Crimea by Russia

And by the way - bet I am older than you.

 

Lol..yah, I don't sit around, and you should study more.

 

Hmmm, no..you're not.

 

Oh, and you should try studying at all.

 

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They have no interest in another referendum because they have no interest in what the people of Crimea want.

 

Since 882 AD the Russians and Kiev have been one in the same.
Their capitol moved from Kiev to northern places such as Novgorod, Moscow, St. Petersburg.

Crimea on the other hand was hardly unified and run by Romans, Byzantines, Ottoman Empire until 1783 when Catherine The Great won it from the Ottoman Empire. Although in Medieval times Crimea was managed by the Rus for a time, out of Kiev before the Golden Horde moved in and took it.

1783. That's longer that the Republic of Texas, the Republic of California or the
Kingdom of Hawai'i have been part of the United States of America. Wow, it's even
longer than the United States of America, nearly.

Moi says, lets support a Golden Horde nation with their capital in Kazan.
Seems to me they are the forgotten people in Russia.


Moi

r > g

Russia's Polar partner!​

 

Oh, but people of Crimea care. People in Donbass care, and in whole Ukraine care, plenty of people care. And no corruption can stand people for long.

 

Let's just say I can remember your past president yuriy Andropov from Soviet days.

 

I did that at technical college, and at university!

 

Let's say you prove it first.

Sure, and I am queen of England.

 

My profile says tradesman(tech college), agriculture(university).
You're queen of England?? Nooo.?

 

delete, already covered by another poster

 

Yes, we don't recognize Crimea and moreover we've just agreed on some terms with Ukraine, like lifting "passport requirements" for travel. This means you can just hop on a plane from Kiev showing your ""driver's license"" to the security and fly to Istanbul, simple as that. We have such passport free zone only with KKTC (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus), and even Azerbaijan, a real kin nation to us, require passports. I do not think that this Foreign Ministry statement has anything to do with the situation of our Tatar brothers in Crimea though because I "DO" know that this is a response to Russia after they have come to an agreement with the US on supposed cantons of North Syria.

Below picture shows Russian and American special forces wearing YPG/PKK/SDF uniforms:



However, I don't think such political counter-measure would be enough to make our Russian friends get the message but who knows, maybe we see some thousands of Tatars marching to government buildings in Crimea soon.
Russia needs to realize the fact that as long as those cantons existing on our border, the possibility of world war III sparking will remain far greater than the potential spark had Hillary been elected, as Russian side was claiming. You got the warm water port you were dying to get. Got Trump elected, even made him insult Merkel to show the EU that they are "alone" against Russia like they felt it to the bones when Napoleon got run over by the powerful Russian army. You got Turkish patriots have been ready to work with you. All you need to do is to stand strong against the US.

But in reality, despite all those showing offs, there is only one single force in the world that's been "physically" challenging the US in Middle East against "Balkanization" of the region, and that force is definitely Turkish. All Iran wants to control Hormuz, unless it gets a little bite at the Mediterranean coast. China is concerned with the future of the Island it builds up in South China sea. Russia's got the warm water port, and got Assad as a useful puppy... We're all alone like we were when we captured the Byzantine emperor Diogenes in the Battle of Manzikert... Like when we've imprisoned Trikoupis, the commander in chief of the invading army and put an end to a war the west has started in an attempt to tear our nation apart... Or like when "Ayse(Aisha) went on vacation" in 1974 shocking entire globe, particularly Nixon's America, when Enosis dreams drowned in the waters of Mediterranean by a NATO army...
History is the best teacher for whoever wants to learn from it: Turks can't be ignored !

 

I can put that in my profile. 'Everybody lies', remember? After a prolonged observation I, Me and Am have reached agreement and came to assesment that you are younger than me, do not live in USA, do not own any land or cattle, and do not have finished university degree, and possibly do not even have college. Also you are probably a communist, because 70th-30th-Revolution-Yadda-Yadda.

 

Sorry to say ... but I give a crap about what this fascist regime in Ankara tells and blabbers! Since Erdogan they are eliminating democracy in Turkey and since the failed coup this process of killing democracy is boosted up.

About the Crimean occupation I have a clear opinion...
it was more or less part of the Russian Soviet Republic inside the USSR until Chruschtschov in the 1950's made a reformation an gave authority to Kiev due to fact to make the development process and whatever else more easy. After fall of USSR I wondered why Crimean Peninsula did not fell to Russia and was further part of Ukraine + leasing for Sevastopol for Russian Black Sea Fleet as harbor. Maybe Jelcin / Yelcin was again drunken at this time ...
When Ukraine had in the past (about 2009) still a president who was not really Russia friendly and when it was openly told that Ukraine should maybe member of EU and NATO, Putin clearly told that then Crimean peninsula become part of Russia. No one took this serious and all laugh about. I think, those who laugh about in in the past does not laugh anymore.

The core point is at least that we backed in the past same things when happened in Ex-Yugoslavia and now damn it because Russia. Particularly the USA gave too long a crap about Moscow and their interests and throw any warnings from Putin into the garbage when the US danced in the foreyard of Russia and giving a crap of any Russian will. You make for sure good friends with such a behavior in Moscow and more as that: Let anyone else ... Russia, China, North Korea or whoever ... do the same in Central- or South America. Washington will send as so often in the past the CIA or directly the US Marines will show very fast that this was a bad idea they had ... and no one is upset. Who was upset about US actions in Nicaragua or the invasion of Grenada? No one!
But if Russia does the same, hell breaks out!

 

Read some history about Mayans... The methods of Hernan Cortes is deciphering the codes for who's really in charge of the Turkish state today. I assure you it's not Erdogan ! We're a country of balance, and that's exactly why we are shown a level of respect -which I still find unsatisfying- from both Washington and Kremlin that Germany can't get:

 

So, basically - these guys, in case of things getting hot, may just buy tickets to plane and with no travel passport go in Turkey. Is that correct?

My condolences and good luck to you.

 

Well ... respect is such a special thing!

One must earn respect and Erdogan does his best to lose this respect completely. I just have to look only at his shamelessly demanding behavior regarding the election campaigns and then his reactions and sayings when he takes the legitimate "no" to appearances from him and his ministers in foreign states before Turkish minorities.

 

Actually, Napoleon defeated army of Russian Empire in the direct battle with it near the Borodino. It was a prolonged war, constant raids of russian cavalry on his supply lines, opposition of partisan groups and refusal to stop the fighting even after Moskva was captured - that defeated him. Sure also a winter have played it's role, but in beginning of XIX century it pretty much was creating same problems in any region of Europe exposed to seasonal changes - lack of supplies, cold temperatures, bad weather - and on top of it snow, making uniform - even adapted to winter - wet and heavy. Considering that by the time winter came Grand Army already lacked supplies and had to resort to eating horses - neigther continuation of effective war in enemy country in winter and spring (and springs in Russia can be very whimsical, changing from periods of warmth to sudden colds and back, with rains and snow pouring for hours, with ground - and many roads in the country side back then - turning in a soggy sticky mud, where carts and boots get stuck) impossible, and retreat making almost unbearable... And as result - a disaster, that destroyed the army.

Army of the Russian Empire sure did it's job, but not by simply overpowering Grande Armee, but by constantly pecking it with cavalry raids, cutting off it's supplies and luring it in depth of country, gathering own forces and slowly dissolving forces of Napoleon. Sadly, battle near Borodino ended with, practically a stalemate - with both armies too exhausted to continue fighting - and a new retreat of russian army. But reluctance of Napoleon to retreat too and renew campaign next year with recovered army ended up with a disaster. Then again - who knew that second capital of country (and I remind you, the royal court at the time lived in Sanct-Petersburg, that been de jure capital of the empire) would be abandoned by citizens and will barely have supplies to sustain what was left of Grande Amree after the Borodino for a one month.

 

...first of all, not Mayans - Aztecs. Civilization of Myans already have been extinct at the point where conquistadors arrived on American continent. Second - how, exactly, a leader of adventurous band of thieves and conquerors relates to the modern day Turkey? And why civilians went against the military during last coup after Erdogan's request, if he is not the center of political power in country?

 

You know...you may believe what you may, it is your choice, sure everyone"lies", I am definitely older than you, your choice to understand or not? And I am involved in agriculture, a posting of livestock is not far off, it should put it perspective after that, and I am nowhere near being a communist sympathizer like you claim.

 

I don't recognize Turkey as a nation. They are just a hangout spot for ISIS.

 

Something like the russkis did in Feb 1989 out of astan when things got "hot". How could some goatf***ERs with old British rifles defeat the big red machine, imagine that?

 

And you spent hours arguing for russophobic propaganda, using such words as 'Muscovy'. Ri-ight, just average, adult american farmer. Sure.