Majority Of Americans Support Single Payer

I believe everyone would vote for single payer, if people were not brainwashed with cheap propaganda about capitalism.
The capitalism assumes free market economy, competition and universal price equilibrium. But, it can only happen if market has no regulations. Since regulations are a genuine part of a health care, there is no way to go other then fix prices and provide certain level of health care to everyone.

 

Yes and a simple solution is to remove subsidies for medical cartel, but that is against conservative religion.

 

With the beneficiaries of the US healthcare delivery system being insurance corporations, our insane method of healthcare delivery qualifies as a form of fascism.

 

Well it appears that most Americans who support single payer are not the Bernie crowd. To quote from the poll:

" One notable exception to the strong partisan skew in reactions to these proposals comes from Republicans when they are asked about replacing the ACA with a federally funded system. Forty-one percent of Republicans favor the proposal -- much higher than the 16% who favor keeping the ACA in place. This may reflect either that Republicans genuinely think a single-payer system would be good for the country, or that they view any proposal to replace the ACA ("Obamacare") as better than keeping it in place."

 

Well if she had insurance the cost would probably have been about $90. The system charges the uninsured much more than it charges insurance companies for the same tests.

 

That simply means the system is corrupt, otherwise prices would find certain equilibrium.
Unfortunately no one has a guts to recognize that government sponsored fraud.

 

So? Get the subsidy, what's the problem there?

 

Not really, insurance cos are negotiating prices based on thousands of deliveries, not just one. Wholesale is always less than retail

 

Not by 300%, The 300% difference points to absence of free market, so the prices are still not real.

 

but the service is the same so why the cost difference? The doctors dont turn around and pay insurance, the money goes into their pockets. They know they can get away with it because of mandates. The gov wants you on health insurance, instead of addressing the REAL problem- cost of service and beaurocratic nightmare that is healthcare.

 

Actually, 300% is quite good for some things. Wholesale/retail differences vary widely depending on many factors. And that may not be the only influence at play here either.

My understanding is that many pols have seen and some addressed the disparity between insured and uninsured prices

 

That's why the left supports Medicare for all over Medicaid for all even though Medicaid has no premiums, co pays, or deductibles, it’s truly free healthcare (from the consumer point of view). Meanwhile regular Medicare has an 80/20 cost share. Medicaid has lower provider reimbursement rates than Medicare so in theory it should be cheaper.

But Medicaid, unlike Medicare, which is fully federally funded, states have to pitch in for the cost (not counting the expanded Obamacare version) for Medicaid. Medicare, or any fully federal plan is paid for by deficit spending, so no one is really paying for it (yet) but the states have to tax real money to pay for things like expanding healthcare for people in their own state. That’s why even the bluest states don’t have their own universal healthcare plans.

 

We are not England, as you conservatives so gleefully point out every time it's noted that almost EVERY other civilized nation in the world has single payer, AND we pay MUCH more than other nations do for Healthcare while getting much less than most of them do in overall delivery of services.

Since ER services cost from 10 to 100 times what such services cost otherwise, it seems to me we could easily pay for single payer out of the savings on ER visits by poor people alone.

 

Right. A deep blue state like CA could decide to use all the federal programs like Medicare and Medicaid, and then fill in all the gaps in coverage through taxation of real money from its residents and businesses, and then proudly declare that their state has universal health care coverage for 100% of its residents .... but they don't. What this tells us is that the left believes universal health care is the answer to all our health care woes, until you tell them you have to pay for it.

Just out of curiosity, I looked up Bernie's universal health care plan here ... https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

He claimed his plan would raise $1.38 trillion per year for the program. But Americans spend about $3 trillion per year now. So Bernie is presuming that UHC will cut medical spending in this country by more than half. I understand that there would be some efficiencies to UHC, but saving more than half? Americans are not going to settle for rationed health care and long wait periods for tests and treatment. Something tells me that if we cut out about 55% of our health care spending, we're going to end up getting what we pay for.

 

OK, so we're not England. So instead of talking about other countries, let's see a proposal for this country with the specifics of how to pay for it.

 

The proposal is obvious, reduce health care cost by establishing government fixed prices for medical services, that is plain and simple.

 

Well, if we went with Bernie's plan, we would reduce the amount of money going into the health care industry by 55%. About 12% of the U.S. workforce is employed in health care. My concern is that we would ending up paying clunker prices and getting clunker quality.

 

Bernie's plan requires severe rationing. If you are going to cut healthcare costs by 55% you are going to have to let the old people...go. What was it that Obama said? Something about giving Grandma a pill?

 

I makes no diff how many Americans want it. Socialized medicine is not the American way and it will never work. In the nations where it exists it is the most expensive item in their budget and they are constantly fighting over it, and other important elements within their economies suffer. We do not want or need socialized medicine. We need good market provided insurance programs.

 

I think you forget how competitive the world of technology is. We're not "lowering" ourselves to accurately compete with other industrialized countries like China, technology houses a sense of competition you can't continue to accomplish under isolationism.

 

We need to get to the bottom of these polls once and for all. Time to ask the question of single payer at the election booth. Add in a provision for everyone to vote on whether they want single payer healthcare.

Some might not even notice, but that's life. You snooze you loose.

But it's time we find out where the American people really stand.

 

Yep, US will never get socialized healthcare. If they coulda they woulda.

The US will sadly just keep digging a deeper hole of sickness and dept. I see not hope for US in this area.

Best not even to discuss it here any longer unless socialized med is a real possibility. It is a waste of time thinking you can ever make the US system work. This is not 1960's Mayberry people.

 

if the capitalist economy is set free, the competition is in house. We should not base our economy around competing internationally. We should set the standard, like we do or used to, and then let the world compete with us.

 

So remove competition, purposefully stop all incentive whatsoever?

Government Establishment, eh?

 

The whole GOP and enough Democratic whores are in the bag to the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies. The last thing these whores want is to cut off their cash cows. They could give a rat's ass if 57% or 97% of the people want a single payer health care program.