Clean energy jobs outnumber fossil fuel jobs in most US states

Russia is in the ME because of access to the Mediterranean and their desire for a warm water port. They have the largest oil reserves in the world.

 

That is the economy of scale. Being more labor intensive does not make it better or cheaper.

 

Understand what you're saying. We knew that Putin was distributing Russian Passports to ethnic Russians in Ukraine during the Georgia affair. Our willingness to stand aside given our commitment sends a chilling message to the Baltic states. But ,,, Oil & Gas make Ukraine strategic to Putin ,,, it's the pathway to Russia's European customers. Given what our energy policy was and Europe's dependence on Russia for energy ,,, one wonders if we would have any allies in a crunch.

 

What oil subsidies? You mean the money given to poor people to pay for home heating? What keeps being counted as "oil subsidies" is the ability to write off losses, R&D and similar items that every business can deduct.

 

As I get this, just part of Ukraine is anti Russian. When the pro Russian leader, was removed during the coup, the new guy was supposed to be Obama's best pal.

Ukraine also is a bread basket. Were the Russians trying to take Canada over, then I worry. If they want Ukraine, and the public wants Russia, no problem for me. But there are the former Nazi lovers who do not want Russia in ukraine at all. Well, they want the money Russia has.

It is difficult to pretend Putin is our problem. When we and other NATO countries have put our troops right next to Russia, we are daring Russia. Imagine we had Russian troops at our two borders?

But we blame Russia. Amazing.

Based on reading this forum, I have concluded that 1 in 100 Democrats realize we put our men in danger by putting them next to the Russian border. I hoped Trump would pull them out. I see no sign he likes Putin at all.

 

you might do your homework before you post such absurdity

 

It is the future - but its not there yet, and green subsidies are a major waste at the moment.

Again, it's simple supply and demand. We have a finite supply of fossil fuels - the laws of supply and demand indicate that, with the current rising demand for oil and the ultimately dwindling supply (though it isn't an issue now) will result in the costs of oil continuing to increase in the future, while green energy should become mroe efficient with time. I think in our lifetime we'll see oil cars become like premier classic cars - a hobby of the wealthy, but entirely impractical for the common consumer.

 

For years, I have waited for some Democrat, even one, to back up claims that oil companies get all those subsidies they claim they get.

When a Democrat gets his deduction for children or home mortgage, does he allege he got subsidized by the Government?

 

Going back to my early college days, I predicted autos will be powered in the future by hydrogen fuel cells. It is starting to prove to be true. This was in 1957 so it has taken a very long time to happen. We might use that sort of scale to predict into the future. I predicted 60 years ago. And still hydrogen fuel cells though here, not sold to many people. By the way, it was then I also predicted auto designs would have light bars as lights to light the road. We might get there too in the future.

 

I have read that maybe 500 times and always from a loyal Democrat supporter.

So far, none have posted proof.

So maybe you know. When do the Feds mail cash to the oil companies?

 

Subsidies are given in a lot of ways. Did you know oil companies do not have to pay to drill on federal land? This program alone has cost us 50 billion. Loan guarantees, tax credits and lots of other things

 

Yeah but corporate welfare is still corporate welfare

 

I think there's a key difference here - supply and demand laws, given rising demand and finite supply which, at current consumption, will last 50-60 years, oil is going to be priced out. Though I can't say when (can't predict slight changes), that's an inevitability.

I mean, short of something out of scifi games, like developing a laboratory-made fossil fuel that is cheaper than it is now.

 

The idea of oil subsidies is incredibly misleading. Over 30 years, from 1973 to 2003, the federal government has paid out 25billion in fossil fuel subsidies, on average less than a billion per year. That is less than the federal government alone took in gas taxes last year alone, and the states take even more. That is a gas tax *beyond* the corporate taxes, dividend taxes, etc. that corporations normally have.

It seems really odd to have a special *additional* tax on an industry to the tune of about over 70 billion per year (feds raised over 35b in gas taxes in 2013, and off hand I just know states take more on average), and then complaining about the 3.2 billion in fossil fuel subsidies (as of 2013 - and note, that's not oil, that's fossil fuels, so oil gets at less less than that).

Meanwhile renewable energy gets 7.3billion in subsidies annually, and has no special tax on green energy. It's just disingenuous to suggest oil subsidies are in reality comparable to green subsidies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies (see "subsidies by country", can also ctrl+f the figures I mentioned.

 

You are not including the wide variety of other subsidies the oil companies get

As recently as 1995, Congress established the Deepwater Royalty Waiver Program. It allowed oil companies to drill on Federal property without paying royalties. It encouraged this expensive form of oil extraction because oil was only $18 a barrel. The Treasury Department reported that the Federal Government has missed $50 billion of foregone revenue over the program's lifetime. It argued that this may no longer be needed now that deepwater extraction has become profitable

https://www.thebalance.com/government-subsidies-definition-farm-oil-export-etc-3305788

 

simple. The gov wants a cut, makes a deal for price reduction.

 

So you are saying the government gets gas at a reduced rate? Show me this. LOL

 

Sorry bro this isn't correct. Individuals and companies bid to lease land available for oil and gas exploration and extraction.

Leases pay whether drilling is successful or not.

Once Oil or gas is found it is extracted and the lessee pays a 12.5% royalty to the U.S. Government.

Cheers

 

Not since 1995 in deep water federal lands....not all federal lands

 

There is a special tax on green energy to the extent that hybrid and electric car owners have to pay an enhanced registration fee to the DMV in at least some places to offset the lost tax revenue at the pump....but as long as people feel green sitting in their Tesla at Sonic waiting for their hamburger that is produced from an industry that contributes more than cars to greenhouse gases, its all good.

 

You said land, I was responding to that.

Cheers

 

The ground they drill into under the water is federal lands....but I see your point

 

Have you EVER heard of opec?

 

Sure you have.
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=FFS_USA

 

And how does OPEC play into this?