MOAB (mother of all bombs) dropped for first time.

There is nothing to do with your so-called climate. China simply cannot control North Korea. Using an analogy, instead of a man walking a dog, it is the dog walking his master towards the brink of an abyss.

 

Right. Which is why China's coming off as essentially throwing Kim TO the wolves now.

China's the Big Guy on the Communist side of the road now.

The USSR isn't there to bolster them.

 

Redneck Math: learning with colors edition.

16,000,000 Dollar Bomb
- 34 terrorist
that's a cost of:
470,000 dollars per terrorist.

Half a million per man SUCCESS!

 

How much does 1 US solider cost?

You could always go over there and show em how it's done with brightly colored text.

 

Well, I'm not sure Kim Jung Fat-Boy will back down to anyone. This guy is about to conduct his sixth nuclear test. His missiles are getting better. He has proven he can launch from a submarine. Once he marries those achievements he can threaten anywhere he can put a submarine and how far is from an intercontinental rocket? He threatens us and our allies constantly.

So, I'll ask you again as, as you critique Trump's responses:

If not this, what?
If not now, when?

And don't think the Syrian Cruise missile strike and the MOAB in Afghanistan were unnoticed by Russia, China, Syria, ISIS and Kim Jumg Fat Boy, nuclear armed Millennial.

Yeah. Spot on question. For follow up you could ask him what 1 civilian life costs:

THIS IS CNN: US military defends dropping ‘mother of all bombs’ on ISIS in Afghanistan.

CNN has been running with that headline all day.

But a bunch of terrorists are dead, a weapons cache destroyed, a cave tunnel hideout made useless, no civilians killed, no American or allied casualties.

What’s there to defend? This was a textbook perfect case of Mission Accomplished.

 

Actually the US/China alliance was stronger after US entry in the war. FDR kept putting China forward as one of the Four Powers - although UK disagreed. We (the US) funneled aid, materiel, training, the China Military Mission, aircraft, etc. to KMT & Chiang Kai Shek, who proved better @ wheedling money & aid & PR victories from the US than fighting alongside Mao & the Chinese Communists against Imperial Japan. The KMT did make a stand against IJ early on, but were wiped up fairly handily.

Thereafter Chiang/KMT wanted B-29s for their tactical air force. We turned them down, Gen. Stilwell saw that KMT was incapable of holding the airfields. As the infighting between Chiang & Mao turned deadly, our military liaison with Mao picked Mao as the coming man & party in China. But Chiang won the PR battle, & we kept trickling aid to KMT - which all wound up in Formosa, I suppose. More might-have-beens.

& FDR & Truman & the State Dept. were accused of losing China, as if it had been ours to lose. Although Nixon, as rabid an anti-Communist as you could wish for, did wind up going to China (an old Vulcan saying, I think it was - Only Nixon ...)

 

I understand the open. Right, after we entered, we didn't just augment Chinese Air power, we added our own.

 

He'll have Russian made SAM systems in place.

 

And then ISIS lost almost all of that territory.

 

They can't spot low flying missiles.

Prove it. ISIS did not hold any land at all until Obama removed US boots on the ground, before he put US boots back on the ground in Iraq. Then he put US boots on the ground in Syria.

 

He did.

 

Sorry, that is 100% incorrect. The 'buffer' China is after is territorial. It doesn't want a US ally on its border. That doesn't require the DPRK to have nukes.

Remember what I said about the need for you to improve your sources? This is a prime example of why. China has had its best troops sitting on the Yalu for years. All through the Obama Administration & before. I'm guessing you aren't going to somehow link that to Obama. This is nothing new. Don't assume that just because you found out about it that it only just happened.

China also spent years trying to cultivate senior figures in the DPRK with a view to possibly using them to replace Kim. When Kin found out he burned the people involved alive....in front of their families. China wants a 'manageable' buffer state, not one that might be prepared to self-immolate in a nuclear war just to punish an 'invader'.

Now, run along & inform yourself on this stuff. School is out.

 

Meanwhile USA Today, in an effort toward accuracy, rushed this graphic to print...



Note - the idiots did manage to correct the graphic eventually

 

What is the cost of a manned aircraft...what would be the human cost of killing the same 34 terrorists by going after them with troops in those tunnels?

 

It doesn't work that way. Look up tunnel rats in the 'Nam. The MOAB destroyed all tents & any other soft targets within range, including people. It also collapsed some tunnels, the ones closest to the surface. It killed & injured who-knows-how-many-people (rebels, presumably) in the tunnel complex. But you'd either have to dig them out to count them, or intercept killed & injured reports from the surviving command & control deeper in the complex.

The problem is alerting the defenses - a chopper or parachute insertion would be visible/audible for miles, & give the defenders lots of time to set up/man AA batteries, RPGs, ZSU-23mm, machine guns & etc.

 

Don't forget the blast also removes the air in the tunnel system and replaces it with smoke

 

The toll is 36 KIA. The cost is $330,000,000. The unit cost per KIA is $9,166,666.67 each. Dummies are running our war operations.

 

Not only did Trump not order the dropping of this bomb though he is trying very hard to take credit for it, The "CENTCOM spokesperson's" comments in The Hill - http://thehill.com/policy/defense/328781-why-the-us-dropped-the-mother-of-all-bombs-in-afghanistan
are being disclaimed by CENTCOM saying that the statements were "unauthorized". So now we have a "fake news releaser" in the trump administration. - https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/poli...anistan-bombing-statements-were-inappropriate

 

A thermobaric weapon might do that - ignite everything flammable within reach of the heat pulse. The MOAB is conventional explosive, TMK, & wouldn't do that. The overpressure of the blast kills & @ greater distances, injures personnel. I don't know how far down a tunnel system the overpressure would be dangerous.

If the blast collapses the upper tunnels of the complex, there's going to be next to no overpressure conveyed further down the tunnel system, & the exchange of air/smoke will take too long - the people further in the tunnel complex aren't going to suffocate, or @ least, not directly because of the MOAB exploding overhead.

 

But they're still dead meat..buried.

 

I believe the point was to destroy a tunnel network, and KILL AS MANY OF OUR ENEMIES AS POSSIBLE.
Works for me.

 

One MOAB killed just 36 people. There's over 25 million people in North Korea. So at that rate it will take 694,444 MOABs to kill all of them.

 

I'd rather spend it on a MOAB than a failed solar company. Just wondering how much blood is on the hands of those 36 terrorist.. ...............Just getting them out of the food chain is good enough for me.

 

No, you miss the point of a tunnel complex. Look up the nets that the VC managed in 'Nam - they had theaters, hospitals, schools, dormitories, cafeterias, kitchens - whole cities underground. & it's a complex - which means generators, pumps (water & air), electrical grids, radios - Al Queda was in some of those complexes, & Bin Laden's family were civil engineers & construction types - that was their claim to fame.

Bin Laden had operators & equipment to work with, I'm sure there are @ least several entrances for each major run of tunnels. Smuggling was a major business in Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iran & for all I know, with China & the 'stans.

 

Were there any children in those tunnels?

I'm Pro-Life so I'd like to know...