Another Documentary (Hosted By Bill Kurtis) About JFK Assassination

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I haven't seen this one by Bill Kurtis but I've seen another one hosted by him which pointed the finger at the mafia.

     
  2. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Another theory without evidence
     
  3. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    The Mafia is only one part of the puzzle and not the biggest one by any means. It's not the Mafia that set up the Warren Commission and the cover up that continues to this day. The Mafia didn't run the Secret Service nor the Dallas law enforcement community.
    The Mafia didn't control the FBI or the main stream conspirators in the media.

    Blaming the Mafia just takes the heat off of the people that Jack Ruby referred to from his jail cell when he said "powerful individuals" had a vested interest in covering a coup up and perpetrating the hoax of Lee Harvey Oswald on the public.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Oswald acted alone and there was no such cover up.

    Ruby said no such thing for jail.

    After he was convicted he maintained that there was no conspiracy until he died
     
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    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    Unless you consider the CIA the Mafia, and there is lots of evidence to support that, one can't really lay the Kennedy coup off on the Mafia.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    There is no evidence of a coup
     
  7. Lesh

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    The best explanation I have seen so far was that put forth by Thom Hartmann.

    The Mafia (New Orleans mob boss..Marcello I believe was his name) in collusion with elements of the CIA they had worked with in Cuba did it.

    The coverup actually came from our own government including Bobby Kennedy . There was a program in place to hide an assassination by Cuba or Russia in order that it not cause a World Nuclear War. The Mafia took advantage of this and left clues to make it look like possible Cuban action. (Oswald's awkward public support of Castro...his supposed attack on a right wing general..his strange visit to the Cuban embassy in Mexico).

    The cover up was real but not nefarious. It did however lead to MASSIVE confusion hiding the perpetrators (intentionally)
     
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    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    This does not explain the Secret Service "standing down" with respect to key aspects of employing protection techniques in Dallas that day.
    Or of LBJ's foreknowledge of the hit coming in Dallas. Or of Jack Ruby's jail cell statement that discussed the "powerful individuals" who were invested in keeping everything hidden from the public.

    You are almost right...the Mafia and CIA were both looking to get rid of Kennedy, as were people in the military and the FBI.
    But Oswald's cover as a disaffected Communist supporter was all CIA directed and the FBI's role in the cover up, which began nearly the moment JFK was shot, had no Mafia element in it. They, the Mafia, supplied the assassins and nothing more.
     
  9. Lesh

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    Ruby was closely tied to the mob ...

    As to the rest of that...there was no stand down by the secret service nor proof that LBJ had foreknowledge..

    The cover up only had to do with the mob in that they knew if they did things in a certain way that the government would have no choice but to put Oswald out there as the lone assasin
     
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    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    Yes. No doubt there.

    On the contrary....there were all sorts of Secret Service protocols that were ignored that day in Dallas (open windows in surrounding office buildings, no agents riding shotgun on the back, the president's limo was not in the protected middle of the motorcade but leading the way and utterly exposed, his limo was slowed down to a crawl when it entered the "kill zone", the motorcade route was altered so it had to navigate the sharp angles and turns around Dealy Plaza making it more vulnerable, etc. ).

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    separate and anomalous changes in Secret Service protocol and practice were made that day in Dallas.
    Don't believe me....investigate this yourself.

    As for LBJ, his mistress reported she was told by him he wouldn't have the Kennedys to worry about after tomorrow, the night before the assassination. Why would this woman report such a thing if it was a lie?

    The mob does not run the Secret Service nor the FBI, two agencies absolutely essential to the plot and cover up. Don't make the mistake of taking a bit player and making him the whole show.
     
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    For a real cover up there is a massive lack of evidence
     
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    There was no such stand down at all.

    There was no foreknowledge by LBJ.

    Ruby made no such statement from his jail cell. Ruby maintained until his death that there was no conspiracy.

    There was no mafia or gobvernment involvement only OSwald acting alone which is proven by evidence
     
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    The motorcade was not altered it followed the planned route including the sharp turns in dealey. Up until Oswald shot two men.

    There was no stand down nor were there any changes in protocol the video is simply proven fiction
     
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    Soupnazi can be safely ignored
     
  15. Lesh

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    https://www.sott.net/article/269016...l-Was-the-Secret-Service-Stood-Down-in-Dallas

    Sounds like it was Kennedy that wanted the agents off the bumper step
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Duncan_Brown

    The mistress claim is pretty suspect. She was convicted of faking another paternity claim and forgery.She claimed everyone and his brother was at this party in Dallas when they re documented to be elsewhere.

    Look for the simple explanation. Occam's Razor. The Mob was REALLY pissed at Kennedy because of Cuba and Kennedy's brother had deported the most powerful Don (Marcello) to Guatemala and he was not happy. There is also a tape of Marcello making a jailhouse confession to an FBI informant
     
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    Facts always are easily ignored when you have a blind and baseless faith.

    But they do prove you wrong like it or not.
     
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    Okay...even if I give you that one point (for the sake of argument) that still leaves fourteen other instances where the Secret Service
    ignored, changed and didn't follow their own long standing rules for protecting the president of the United States of America.

    There isn't enough good willed suspension of disbelief in the whole world to cover the intentional sabotaging of John Kennedy's security that day in Dallas where a whole cadre of professional Mafia supplied hit men were just waiting for him to be steered into the killing zone that had been set up at Dealy Plaza (which was one of rules that were violated that day...maneuvering the motorcade into a narrow funnel-like area
    where security would be hard to provide even with the best of intentions, of which, there were none that day.
     
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    Okay, not my strongest bit of evidence even though it was known Johnson and the Kennedys hated each other's guts!

    There is no doubt the Mob hated the Kennedys. But that hardly accounts for the other people that hated them also but were in a position to actually kill him and get away with it (like the FBI, the Secret Service, Pentagon, etc.).
     
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    There is no evidence of any kind of mafia hit men in Dallas.

    he was not steered into a kill zone.

    There were no such violations of protocol as you claim
     
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    I guess there's a definitive list of mafia hit men huh?
     
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    Actually the Mob and the CIA interacted very closely in Cuba and in the anti-Castro movement afterwards...providing plenty of opportunity
     
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    The Oswald hit has all the earmarks of the Mob, yes.

    Wonder if Oswald thought he was going to pull it off ??

    His best case was summary execution same as what McVeigh got.

    His worst case was the gut shot that Rubenstein gave him.
     
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    I would not expect the Mob to leave tracks of any kind.

    They are even more professional than the FBI or CIA.
     
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    If Kurtis does not knock this off then HE may end up with his feet in cement too.
     

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