Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    There has never been any post of any sort showing any evidence of any coercion against any witness from the Warren Commission.

    You are lying about them coercing witnesses.

    No one was bullied and Craig was merely stubborn and lacking in credibility. The rest recanted freely without any evidence of coercion because they simply made an error and the absolute fact is that they found the Carcano and mistook it for a mauser.

    Yes the Warren commission operated in a manner consistent with those seeking the truth.

    Those seeking the truth do not lie consistently as you are proven to do.

    Yes your juvenile lies are disgraceful
     
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    Craig was merely stubborn...yea because he wouldn't change his testimony

    The others weren't so "stubborn". Of course they weren't fired or had their lives ruined either
     
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    The other merely admitted an error.

    Craig refused to do so and his firing had nothing to do with any of that. He caused his own life's problems
     
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    Fourteen times the Warren Commission altered the testimony he gave to them. Craig didn't need to change his testimony....the Warrens did it for him.
     
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    That is a lie they did not alter it once.

    You need to offer evidence for this claim but you never will
     
  6. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have no evidence that Craig's testimony was not altered. As always, you merely back the official lies and disregard first hand testimony of another person who was actually there. That's your MO, always has been. As always, in this instance you are full of crap again.
     
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    That is because I do not need any.

    You this has been explained to you before but apparently you are too dense to comprehend but the burden of proof is always and on the one who makes the assertion.

    Yourbestfriend is making the assertion.

    The burden of proof is on him and he is a proven long standing liar who's many lies have been debunked and proven false be me and many others over and over again

    As always you are lying I am not disregarding the testimony of first hand witnesses YOU are doing so as is yourtbestfriend.

    Or maybe you are going to lie and claim Craig was the only witness.

    He was not and ALL the other witnesses prove him wrong.

    My Mo is consistent with evidence yours is gullible stupid immature and naive lies.

    I am correct again the evidence proves it and you are once again made into a laughing stock

    Now learn to respect your betters and do what I told you
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  8. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't make the rules champ. Craig was there and he gave testimony that he insisted was changed 14 times. I believe him, because he was there and gave the testimony, you were not there, therefore, you are once again full of crap. Craig was an excellent Deputy Sherriff who was awarded as Officer of the year in 1960 but after he refused to lie about what he saw in '63 and revealed that his testimony was falsified by the WC liars, his career was destroyed, there were many attempts on his life and he committed suicide (or was suicided like many others involved in this case) in '75. The fact that you just dismiss these facts and go on spewing your worthless garbage not only exposes you as an idiot, but also an ********. Get it?
     
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    No I do not make the rules I quoted the rules and yes that is always the rule according to anyone who even barely understands what logic means. The burden of proof lies on the accuser or the one who asserts a claim. Your little buddy made an aseetion he cannot and will not back up.

    There is no evidence whatsoever of these 14 changes he claims making it a proven lie

    No one cares what you believe it is well known you believe a great deal of foolish crap. Including these proven lies.

    So go ahead and offer some proof. I dare you to do so.

    You cannot and will not because you are like all the gullible sheep and incapable of thinking but only believing.

    It is you spewing the worthless garbage and i have proven you wrong and YOU KNOW IT.

    I have not dismissed any facts liar you HAVE.

    FACT you cannot prove any such changes or alterations. facts the evidence and witnesses prove this claim false.

    You are pwned
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing Craig said has been proven to be a lie champ. He was there and he never changed his story. Others apparently changed theirs because they were obviously threatened to do so. That is what the evidence shows. He was an outstanding law enforcement officer and also a man with impeccable integrity. His life was destroyed and there were numerous attempts on his life until he was either murdered or committed suicide as a result of his unwillingness to sell out and go along with the lying pieces of **** who wrote the report. That is what the evidence clearly shows to anyone who is logical and intelligent. You are as always, full of crap and you fool no one with your canned bull crap and you know it. Now go and get yourself a life and quit jerking yourself off here. Thanks
     
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    Pure soupnazi nonsense.

    He fancies himself the Keeper of the Warren Commission
     
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    Wrong he made a claim without evidence and it requires evidence.

    You also have to show evidence that others were threatened to do so because it is NOT obvious so offer the evidence it proves you are the liar.

    Name the evidence and link to it since you claim is shows this.

    He destroyed his own life with bad decisions and is not the first person to do so.,

    You have no evidence that the members of the warren commission lied.

    There is no evidence showing what you claim and that is a fact and you know it.

    You are the beta male here boy do as you are told
     
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    No you call people that when they debunk your conspiracy theory claims.

    What I have stated is not nonsense it is fact or you would refute it which you cannot
     
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    Yes the claims of Craig have been proven to be lies by all other witnesses at the event in question and by all the physical evidence.'

    On the other hand you are lying and can provide no evidence that they were threatened or that he was murdered or his life was destroyed.

    You cannot cite one lie from the Warren Commission.

    Quote one passage from the Warren commission which is false and provide evidence
     
  15. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Provide proof that Craig caused his own life's problems and that he was not harassed and fired because he refused to lie about what he saw. Prove it right now or ****...
     
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    Sorry the burden of proof is on you as was already said. The record stands for itself that he was fired and injured in an accident and later shot by an associate. Those are all self inflicted problems and you can provide no evidence to the contrary

    Provide evidence he was murdered. Provide evidence others were threatened.

    Cite one lie from the Warren commission.

    Once again BOY it is required that YOU provide the evidence not me as I am not asserting a claim YOU are
     
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    No passage, no reading of any passage, no eye witness ever said that the package was sticking up the man’s armpit. The word “armpit” was mentioned to describe the top of the shoulder.

    B.Frazier's sister also said that she saw him carrying it at hi side with just the top of it sticking above his grip and it didn't touch the ground. Again...for that to be the 35 inches of a broken down Carcano he would have had to be nine feet tall.
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    Here is the Warren Commission Testimony of Ms. Frazier. Please tell us where the 35 inches comes from, the armpit, and all of the other nonsense in your post!!!!

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    Can you see where it says 27 inches?
    Can you see where it says 8.5 inches?

    Please show us any testimony where she says 35 inches or her brother says he was carrying it to where the thing was pointing up his armpit and down to his fingers.

    Now if only the testimony matched up to what you fantasize that it did say.

    The old conspiracy theorist ploy I see. “Since the police didn’t announce that they were looking for curtain rods, they didn’t look for them. Therefore they never looked for them.” In the 50+ years since JFK was iced, the only thing that the public largely agrees upon is that you guys reek with stupidity. This is why.

    You’re at the point now of denying LHO ever said anything about curtain rods. It really never ends with you people.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, you provide evidence that his testimony was not altered. He gave the testimony and said it was altered 14 times. The burden of proof is on you and you know it. Please cite the proof that Officer Craig was lying about his testimony being altered. If you can not produce evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Craig was lying, you lose. Now either put up or for Christ's sakes shut up. Good luck!

    PS: Also, provide concrete evidence that Howard Hunt was lying when he clearly stated that he was a part of the conspiracy to kill JFK. If you are going to make wild statements refuting first hand eyewitness testimony, you got to have something to back them up champ. All you have been doing here for years is blowing it out your ass.
     
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    Wrong boy one more time.

    The burden of proof is on you to show it was altered. Or on the other fool who made the claim. One cannot prove a negative which is why it is strictly exclusively and absolutely on you to prove the assertion. Other wise the testimony stands as it is and your claim of alteration is a lie you pulled out of your ass.

    No the burden of proof is on you and everyone including you knows it.

    You are proven wrong and liar.

    You must also prove that others were threatened.
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    You must cite one passage from the Warren Commission report that is a lie and prove it is a lie.

    Go ahead otherwise shut your teenaged mouth
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong again champ. The burden is on you. Craig was there and so was Howard Hunt. You are just a guy who got some cheap debunking handbook who comes on internet sites and parrots them chapter and verse. You got nothing. Now either come up with some concrete evidence or clam up.
     
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    Wrong the burden of proof is always on the one making the assertion.

    I have tons of concrete evidence and have shown it on many posts in many threads it is you who has none and is running from it.


    It is not a debunkers handbook boy it is the basic rules of logic and reason. You are uneducated and ignorant that IS TRUE but you need to learn this
    Howard Hunt was not there and his claim is not valid.

    SHow proof of your many claims.

    Cite one passage from the Warren Commission report which you say is false and offer evidence that it is a lie.

    Do so in your next post or do not bother with one
     
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    Oh my lord. There is a picture of a police officer with the MC in the Depository. Where do you think it came from?
    As for the reports…initial reports are wrong quite often in the press.

    In 1972:
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    All hostages were killed in the gun battle.

    From 1912:

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    The Titanic actually sunk as you may have heard.

    From 1948:
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    Remember President Dewey? I’m sure you do. LOL

    All of these are newspaper reports that got it wrong. Someone wrote the story, had it edited, typeset, and printed and delivered to the press. It’s a comparatively long process to the news reporting you’re relying on for this supposed Mauser that never materialized anywhere.



    Well, I know I’m smart (compared to present company); thanks for acknowledging it. There are cards with fingerprints on them. For the 3rd time:

    There is no name concerning whose prints they are on the cards.
    There is no location given concerning where the articles that were fingerprinted were found.
    There is no case number, file number, exhibit number, etc… concerning their use.

     
  23. Soupnazi

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    It is true that one of the weaknesses in the Warren Commission report is mistakes. Not only in the report but as you point out in the media and press coverage.

    Strangely enough the Dallas PD did an excellent job of gathering evidence all of which proved Oswald's guilt They probability made fewer errors until the MASSIVE error of letting their guard down which allowed Ruby to shoot Oswald which of course fuels endless theories.

    The point is people make mistakes and errors even when investigating the murder of the president ( or the terrorist attacks of 911 ) however conspiracy theorists have this bizarre view that if a government document is not flawless then it is a lie and evidence of a cover up.

    Incidentally I can entertain the existence of coverups in the Warren Commission report. They clearly ignored or omitted evidence about John F. Kennedy's LIFE ( as opposed to his murder ). This probably also explains why some documents are still classified and is also the most logical explanation for the disappearance of Kennedy's brain which was ultimately in the possession of Robert Kennedy after being stored by Mrs Lincoln with JFK's other effects and papers. Mrs Lincoln was JFK's secretary.

    Many like to claim that the brain was kept in the custody of the national archives but this is simply not true. Mrs. Lincoln merely used space in the national archives while organizing Kennedy's effects.

    The Commission and others did not want the public to know about Kennedy's massive drug addictions which were alarming to say the least. They did not want the public to know about JFK's philandering with many women. Most of this would come out over time but in 63/64 they hoped to keep a lid on it and preserve his public memory.

    Robert had similar motives especially since his brother would reflect on his own ambitions in politics. HE would have known that keeping the brain was dangerous as eventually tests could be performed showing the various drugs JFK was addicted to. HE was known to be the last person in possession of his brothers brain and probably disposed of it. Speculation sure but more logical than some cover up about the murder.

    I have heard it claimed that many in the media KNEW about Kennedy's affairs with various women including Marilyn Monroe but kept it quiet.

    So you have mistakes and errors ad even coverups of embarrassing facts about Kennedy's life and yes it fuels the conspiracy fire because theorists and their acolytes seize on these things and spin them into so called evidence of a coup.
     
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    Nice of you to finally admit how flawed the WC was
     
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    I never denied it has flaws.

    No human endeavor is flawless. Your repeated claims that it has been invalidated or debunked or discreited are false claims however
     

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