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Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

Discussion in 'JFK' started by usda_select, Mar 21, 2017.

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Who Killed JFK?

This poll will close on Sep 21, 2017 at 8:47 PM.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

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  1. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    They did not call it a mauser after seeing mauser stamped on the barrel they merely made a mistaken guess when first handling it.

    They found Oswald's Carcano and not a mauser.

    The paper package is what he used to smuggle the rifle in and you have no evidence to dispute that fact
     
  2. Lesh

    Lesh Well-Known Member

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    You'e contradicting the actual witnesses.
     
  3. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No I am not you are ascribing meaning to their statements which they did not actually say and ignoring the simple mistake which they freely admitted to
     
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    When you look at the Mauser this is what you see. This is what Roger Craig, Seymour Weitzman, Eugene Boone, Captain Fritz and Lieutenant Day all saw. After considered consultation among the group and sober discussion they all of course identified the rifle as a Mauser. That's what it was, after all.

    How is it possible for five police officers to be sitting around scratching their heads over the type of rifle they found NOT see the name stamped right into the rifle itself? To suggest they just never noticed is absolute bull sh*t and a lie.
    It's like suggesting people looking to identify an auto would not quite pick up on the Toyota logos and name stamped all over the car. Asinine lies!


    And after telling the Warren Commission he saw a Mauser on the sixth floor, Cpt. Fritz decided later he couldn't believe his own eyes and recanted (as did Weitzman and Boone but not Day apparently).
    Roger Craig, of course, never wavered and amazingly, didn't change his story.
    He refused to lie.
    "Deputy Constable Weitzman reports the discovery of a 7.65mm, bolt-action Mauser rifle at approximately 1:22 P.M., on the day of the assassination. He would later give the same description in his Warren Commission testimony. The questioning attorney, Mr. Ball, never questions Weitzman in regards to the discrepancy to the weapon type, or how the Mauser later becomes known as a Mannlicher-Carcano. But later, the Warren Commission will decide that Weitzman and the other police officers were simply mistaken."
    http://oswaldsmother.blogspot.com/2011/07/mauser-is-mauser-is-mannlicher-carcano.html

    That's typical of the Warren Commission. Roger Craig reported his testimony to the commission had been altered and changed
    fourteen separate times! That's how you build up a lie.
     
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  5. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    You are being quite dishonest. Fritz, Boone, Weitzman and Day did not see any such markings nor did they claim to see such markings. Only Craig did and he was simply wrong as the evidence proves. The others admitted to a simple mistake and nothing more

    The others identified it as a mauser only because of general appearance which is very similar to the Carcano. Which is why it was nothing more than a simple and easy to make error.

    For whatever reason Craig chose not to admit an error and in effect stick to a lie this is what he did. The evidence proves a simple error and proves that Oswald's rifle was the one found and the one used to kill Kennedy.

    The Warren commission made no such decision that there was an error the men involved did.

    Craig made that claim with no evidence and it is simply his word against everyone else and against all the evidence.

    No matter how hard you try it is absolute proven fact your effort is a failure and they found Oswald's Carcano
     
  6. Lesh

    Lesh Well-Known Member

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    Hard to mistake that for a "Made in Italy" Carcano. Especially for a guy who used to own a gun shop
     
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    But an unexplained and inexplicable mistake is what moron trolls would have you believe.
     
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  8. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No it is an easy mistake to make for anyone since the person you refer to never claimed to have read the stamp he merely mis identified it based on general appearance.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Wrong it is simple and very explainable as has been proven and you are the troll who is simply lying about it
     
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  10. Lesh

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    he (Roger Craig) was present when the rifle was found, and, along with Deputy Eugene Boone who had first spotted the weapon, was immediately joined by police Lt. Day, Homicide Capt. Fritz, and deputy constable Seymour Weitzman, an expert on weapons who had been in the sporting goods business for many years and was familiar with all domestic and foreign makes. Lt. Day briefly inspected the rifle and handed it to Capt. Fritz who asked if anyone knew what kind of rifle it was. After a close examination, Weitzman declared it to be a 7.65 German Mauser. Capt. Fritz agreed with him.

    The testimony of all is a matter of record
     
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    Ahh yes, Roger Craig:

    I particularly love the Oswald getting into a station wagon. The DPD found a bus transfer that showed he was on the bus at the same time….

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    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/craig.htm
     
  12. jack4freedom

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    You are lying and you know it.
     
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    Mcadams?Really?

    Next you'll be using Gerald Posner. Please

    Mcadams and the WC think a bus pass is definitive. Oddly no witnesses on any bus remembers Oswald
     
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    Oh okay. Lets start from the beginning.

    So you believe Mr. Craig when he says that Oswald got into a station wagon? Yes or No please.
     
  15. Soupnazi

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    Yes it is all a matter of record and in fact the men who identified it as a Mauser did so on general appearance only and then later realize they were simply mistaken and it was a Carcano all along

    All the men present agree on that except for Craig who actually disputed these claims much later in life when he needed money and began to seek the attention of conspiracy theorists
     
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    Dead wrong. ( as always ).

    His former landlady was on the same bus as Oswald after the assassination and immediately recognized him.

    A bus transfer is not a pass is in fact far more definitive than some lone guys statement when he tends to contradict himself. You do not get a transfer without being on a bus in the first place

    Craig as this and the rifle fiasco proves is unreliable and not a credible witness which is all conspiracy theorists tend to have.

    And Posner or Mcadams are far more valid and reliable sources than Marrs or Lane or Lifton or Stone or Garrison
     
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  17. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    No you are and you know it.

    Fact only Craig claims to have read the stamp and fact the two rifles are easily confused and unlike you I have shown evidence.

    Don't hang around to be pwned by me AGAIN
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Trolls defending the official fairy tale 24/7 and never questioning one single word of it. It's not rocket science to figure out that there's nothing genuine and honest about posters who do that.

    "The important thing is not to stop questioning" - Albert Einstein

    "Question everything" - Albert Einstein (and I'll add, especially if it comes from government)
     
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    Well @Lesh ; what is your response?
     
  20. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    The only troll is one who pops in occasionally to drop insults.

    You never question the government and so you violate your own standards
     

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