19 dead from suspected suicide blast

I have no idea what "Islamic" means, care to elaborate and explain? Which countries qualify as being "Islamic"?

Besides, me pointing out those countries was a response to someone claiming "Muslims have never been in Europe". Bosnians are Muslim and the only reason the country (BiH) exists is because of the religious disparities with their Yugoslavian brothers and sisters.

Albanians are Muslim and Kosovo is a country.

 

Try to stay on topic, please.

 

You have no clue what so ever.
First of all I am from Bosnia. Most Bosniaks arent evey practising Muslims they are atheists or very softly religious.
Second Kosovo is not a country, It doesnt even have a seat in the UN. What the West want doesnt count, fact is fact. It will be a country when Serbia says so, that is never.
Albania also is not a Islamic country.

Muslim/Islamic country is a country where rules and way of life is based on the religion Islam.
Heck Bosniaks brew Rakija every year, that **** is stronger than Vodka, Pork is widley common. And they were historically Christians, so you are wrong.

 

Jebote, pičko!

 

Yes I jebem Pičke.

 

Sounds like a good idea, what would you recommend cooperating with Muslims on?

 

Normal daily stuff.

I'll teach your kids if you pay me. You can fix my car.

 

It's not a new plan mate.
It's not a plan at all. It's just life as we have always known it.
The practical realities of life.

And yes it has my support. Living is living. I don't want to die from it.

 

Here's a little quote from Moon of Alabama about the terrorist attack being a blowback. It reminds me of when Vladimir Putin complained to Bush about CIA agents helping the terrorists in the war in Chechnya. Pres. Bush told him they could do whatever they want and Putin responded that one does not help terrorists without it coming back to them. Two weeks later 911 happened.

It is fairly obvious that the Manchester attack is a blowback of the British wars on the independent Libya under Ghaddafi and on the independent Syria under Bashar Assad. In both cases the British government supports radical Islamist takfiris to fight against the secular governments it wants to overthrow.

But such extremists can never be controlled by the "west". They hate the "west" on ideological grounds and they hate what "we" do to their home countries. Any use of such forces abroad will blow back home.​

 

And just as much evidence that 1.6 billion Muslims support him in any way.

 

And the Fermi Paradox kicks the Drake Equation right in the huevos...

 

Five more (and counting) have been arrested as part of the terror cell.

 

WIKI (Fermi paradox) - According to this line of reasoning, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens...Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"
The Bible is a chronicle of hundreds of close encounters of various kinds between humans and offworld beings spanning thousands of years of earth history, how many more eyewitnesses does Fermi want?..
PS- Jesus said "I'll be back" (Mark 13:26)

 

No, the ones who think it's acceptable to kill innocents. The prophet was very clear in his command no women, children or the elderly should ever be harmed in battle.
Even if you consider the idiocy of a suicide bombing to be battle, the daft pillock still broke a clear and direct order not to attack these groups.
From an Islamic POV, that gets him a ticket to hell.
This guy is only a hero to very stupid people, but he also gave other stupid people an excuse to hate all Muslims.

 

from the link:

"But the arithmetic is not difficult: Poland and Hungary and Slovakia do not have Islamic terrorism because they have very little Islam. France and Germany and Belgium admit more and more Islam, and thus more and more terrorism. Yet the subject of immigration has been all but entirely absent from the current UK election campaign. Thirty years ago, in the interests of stopping IRA terrorism, the British state was not above preventing the internal movement within its borders of unconvicted, uncharged, unarrested Republican sympathizers seeking to take a ferry from Belfast to Liverpool. Today it declares it can do nothing to prevent the movement of large numbers of the Muslim world from thousands of miles away to the heart of the United Kingdom. It's just a fact of life - like being blown up when you go to a pop concert."

IMO the only people from Muslim countries that should be allowed to move to the West are ones that are oppressed minorities or that genuinely wish to escape that political aggressor masquerading as a "religion" founded by a terrorist.

 

You are mistaken. Muslims are not hated by most of us...we just don't want the baggage they bring with them.

Would you allow even friends to bring their bedbug-infested suitcases into your home? Same idea.

 

From the link:

“There’s a connection between the targeting of a concert like this and the enslavement of young girls in northern Iraq,” said Joshi."

...and the link goes even further--to the fate of the Chibok girls kidnapped in Nigeria by the Muslim Boco Haram.

 

"On April 14, 2014, Boko Haram kidnapped 276 girls, mostly aged between 16 and 18. Since then, 57 have escaped, three were found over the course of the last year, 21 released last October and 82 released on Saturday. That leaves 113 missing.

For the latest group to be released, a transition back to normalcy will not be easy.

Many questions are being raised in Nigeria about the way in which the government is handling the released hostages.

Those released in October have not been able to return to their homes and families. Instead, they have been kept in government-run facilities in the capital Abuja, where they have taken lessons and have received counselling.

The newly released 82 have also yet to be reunited with their families. The government says it is still verifying their identities.

Osai Ojigho, Amnesty International's Nigeria director, has called for the government to "respect their privacy and ensure they are reunited with their families … and not be kept in lengthy detention and security screening."

With some released hostages being held for months on end, such processes can "only add to their suffering and plight."


Freed captives sit in a hall as they are welcomed by officials in Abuja on Sunday. A Nigerian researcher says they suffered trauma, 'including constantly dealing with deaths, deliberate killings and other crimes.' (Reuters)

The Chibok schoolgirls spawned a global Twitter hashtag #bringbackourgirls, which shed light on the horrors of the Nigerian conflict, which began in 2009 and has killed at least 20,000.

Thousands of women and young girls like these have suffered a similar fate, forced to become Boko Haram wives, raped, trained to fight or become suicide bombers.

"They are probably different people, due to their experiences, than the young women preparing for their exams in 2014," says Elizabeth Pearson, a Boko Haram specialist who studies woman and conflict."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/chibok-girls-nigeria-release-1.4108654

 

Why not? Priests visit hospitals all the time and never get brutally attacked by grieving atheist parents. However, I would never suggest that anyone be cloned before they've died so I would visit a mortuary instead of a hospital. Also, I would never suggest that anyone be cloned after dying from a genetic diseases unless we can fix it.

 

Well, what did I say... they were peaceful!!

That's all water under the bridge.... that is generations
past! Or would you like me to remind you that the Jews crucified Christ himself? What a sin that was!!

 

Yeah, peaceful like T1000.

 

A forgiven one. If Christ forgives you, and he forgave them immediately, you stand forgiven for all eternity.

BRITS OUTRAGED BY US INTELLIGENCE LEAKS
British authorities shared photographs and other information about the Manchester bombing with American intelligence agencies–(the CIA and the FBI)–and that information was promptly leaked at one or more of the agencies to Democrats at the New York Times, which published the photos and other information.

The Sun reports that British officials are irate about the American agencies’ inability to keep a secret:

Furious Theresa May is to demand answers from Donald Trump after US officials leaked bloody crime scene photos of the Manchester bombing.

Fury erupted across Whitehall after details of the probe continued to slip out in Washington DC in defiance of Britain’s Home Secretary.
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The images, leaked to the New York Times by US intelligence sources, reveal the device was probably packed in a blue Karrimor rucksack.

And they suggest that Abedi may have triggered the blast using a detonator held in his left hand.

There are also suggestions that the bomb may have had a remote control.

Ministers were described as “seething” over the graphic disclosure, which could also risk endangering future prosecutions.

The PM will ask the US president for an explanation when they meet at the NATO summit in Brussels tomorrow.

This is ironic, of course. Democrats in the intelligence agencies generally leak against the president. If he knew how to stop the leaks, he would do it. But it appears that this time, the British are serious:

Protests were raised at every level of the government, including by National Security Adviser Mark Sedwill to his counterpart HR McMaster.

A senior Whitehall source said: “These leaks from inside the US system are likely to deeply distress the victims, their families and the wider public.

“Information has also been leaked which risks compromising the ongoing investigation into this appalling crime.

“Protests have been lodged at every relevant level between the British authorities and our US counterparts.

“They are in no doubt about our huge strength of feeling on this issue. It is unacceptable.”

I couldn’t agree more with this comment by an MP:

Former Ukip MP Douglas Carswell said: “There seem to be some seriously third rate, untrustworthy spooks in the US.”

Perhaps British anger will finally make it possible to identify, fire, and where appropriate criminally prosecute the leakers at the CIA and the FBI.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/05/brits-outraged-by-us-intelligence-leaks.php

 

They all look pretty and well dressed. Surely, we can't compare them with our western teenagers. They probably had to do some fast maturing in their captivity.
This is how they looked when they were handed over...

black, grey and brown cloths hung over .
I really have no idea how people live in Nigeria.

 

Using fairy tales to back up your case doesn't help it. Drake suggests that we should have had alien contact of some kind, while Fermi seeks to explain while we haven't. One of them has some actual empirical evidence associated with it...

 

No, they are targeting teens because they fear them, they fear the future those teens are likely to build.

There's no place for religious extremists in both the present and the future represented by those teens. Frustration might play a central role in the suicide bombers' choice of targets, but I think fear is the decisive factor. Fear of a future in which they'd have no place, fear of a present in which their ideology doesn't allow them to fully live their lives, fear of eternal punishment for past sins.

Islamists are bent on destroying both the pre-Islamic past and the possible non-Islamic future.