When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

That's your opinion that they are unproven, but the US Intelligence Community has already concluded themselves that Russia did take part i meddling with our elections. Then there's the fact that a US general was accepting payment from Russia before being selected as a a national security adviser, then illegally discussing sanctions with the Russian ambassador, and then lying to his superiors about said contact. There is no proof of a collusion with Russia (hence no charges have been made) but the intelligence community has concluded that Russia did meddle with our elections, and that they were making contacts with campaign officials during that time. Based on this information, this has given the federal government enough reason to conduct further investigations.

Also, you are wrong, the report from Fox News was that the American voters "approve of a special counsel being appointed to investigate Russian government efforts to influence the election and the Trump campaign"

Now again, no one is being charged of any wrong doing, we are simply taking the necessary precautions to uncover the truth. If no one in the campaign is guilty of any collusion, then the investigation will work to their favor, as it will allow them to clear their name of any suspicions. An investigation is supported by both Republicans and Democrats, because it is the rational course of action.

Evidence? this isn't a theory, the USIC is 17 agencies. That's not an opinion, it is not a theory, it is a fact.. and no, there is no part of the joint statement that excludes any agencies in the USIC. Once again there is the statement I just quoted you from last October, and this one from last December


"On October 7, 2016, Secretary Johnson and Director Clapper issued a joint statement that the intelligence community is confident the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations, and that the disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks are consistent with the Russian-directed efforts. The statement also noted that the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia to influence public opinion there.

Today, DHS and FBI released a Joint Analysis Report (JAR) which further expands on that statement by providing details of the tools and infrastructure used by Russian intelligence services to compromise and exploit networks and infrastructure associated with the recent U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. government, political and private sector entities.

This activity by Russian intelligence services is part of a decade-long campaign of cyber-enabled operations directed at the U.S. Government and its citizens. These cyber operations have included spearphishing, campaigns targeting government organizations, critical infrastructure, think tanks, universities, political organizations, and corporations; theft of information from these organizations; and the recent public release of some of this stolen information. In other countries, Russian intelligence services have also undertaken damaging and disruptive cyber-attacks, including on critical infrastructure, in some cases masquerading as third parties or hiding behind false online personas designed to cause victim to misattribute the source of the attack. The Joint Analysis Report provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations and information on how to report such incidents to the U.S. Government.

A great deal of analysis and forensic information related to Russian government activity has been published by a wide range of security companies. The U.S. Government can confirm that the Russian government, including Russia’s civilian and military intelligence services, conducted many of the activities generally described by a number of these security companies. The Joint Analysis Report recognizes the excellent work undertaken by security companies and private sector network owners and operators, and provides new indicators of compromise and malicious infrastructure identified during the course of investigations and incident response. The U.S. Government seeks to arm network defenders with the tools they need to identify, detect and disrupt Russian malicious cyber activity that is targeting our country’s and our allies’ networks.

We encourage security companies and private sector owners and operators to look back within their network traffic for signs of the malicious activity described in the Joint Analysis Report. We also encourage such entities to utilize these indicators in their proactive defense efforts to block malicious cyber activity before it occurs. DHS has already added these indicators to its Automated Indicator Sharing service, which provides indicators of malicious cyber activity at machine speed. Entities that are participating in this service have already implemented these indicators for the network protection activities"

Again, the claim that the joint statement from the USIC excluded agencies in the USIC itself is a complete fabrication on your part. You made it up yourself, it is not factual. Upon further investigations the original statement was expanded on in another statement released last December (seen above), but at no point were USIC agencies excluded in the joint statement.

 

You're basically repeating the same thing that I've previously debunked by posting actual links. You've yet to do that.

 

Those two statements I just referred you to are literally from the links you provided. Again, you are making things up, nowhere were any agencies in the USIC excluded from their joint statement.

 

Saying "nowhere were any agencies in the USIC excluded from their joint statement" is nonsensical since both statements explicitly stated which intelligence agencies contributed. In no case were all 17 intelligence agencies contributing to these joint statements. You keep making statements that are directly contradicted by the actual source documents.

Amazing. I guess it shows the power of the MSM to brainwash.

 

Once again, you are making things up. I will ask you to highlight which part of the joint statement excludes agencies in the USIC. Copy and paste it in your next reply

 

1: You don't know its a hoax.
2: You can't punish people for asking for an investigation even if the investigation goes nowhere.

 

And what do you know about that night?

 

Nothing in this post points to any collusion. That is something the DNC and Obama administration was looking for to smear Trump with even before the election. With all the unmasking they did, you'd think they would have found something. Spying on American citizens was an unconstitutional advantage but it didn't earn them a thing. Every thing exposed by wiki leaks indeed was an embarrassment to the DNC and I'm sure what Wasserman Shultz did to Bernie would have been better for Hillary to keep under wraps.....but that wasn't Trumps fault!
It has been pointed out hackers attempted to get into Trumps and GOP sources as well. It has been pointed out....unsuccessful though. Guess there is an advantage to not having private servers shared with the likes of "Weiner".

 

No one here is concluding there was a collusion, we're simply discussing the investigation. The IC has concluded that Russia was meddling with our elections, and that they were making contacts with campaign officials during that time. For this reason we are investigating to find out if there was a collusion or not. No one should be legally charged of colluding with Russia unless it is absolutely proven.

 

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When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed,"

It will be exposed by Sasquatch and the Tooth Fairy - in an expose' in the National Enquirer...

 

First of all, based on the information that has been coming forth over the last nine months, there are plenty of indications that the story was manufactured to cover up a terrible election defeat.
And there are indications that there are potential reasons to try to distract from the real issues. The likelihood of an internal leak within the DNC. Possibly even the murder of a DNC staffer.

So...
1. The NSA has no record of a large transmission of data flowing from the DNC server to anyone.
2. The only source of speculation about Russia being involved has originated from Crowdstrike. Obama officials ordered the intelligence community to accept their findings, which were paid for by the DNC.
3. So the insinuation that 17 US agencies were involved, is only a talking point. I repeat, only a talking point.

So when all of the key players continue to state that there is no evidence of collusion, it doesn't take long to realize that the FBI, NSA, and CIA simply have nothing left to investigate.

And by the way, you sure as heck can charge someone with making false statements if they knew that the statements were untrue at the time of the report.

 

That's what an investigation is for.

 

No, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation has now turned towards the issue of whether the Crowdstrike information had merit in the first place.

There is more evidence to support the hypothesis that the information from the DNC was leaked by someone working for the DNC instead of being hacked by a Russian surrogate outsource.

 

Thank you for contradicting your own posts!

 

If there were no crimes why didn't Trump's Deputy AG just dismiss the allegations which was entirely in his power to do?

The fact is that the FBI has uncovered actual crimes by members of the Trump campaign and the only question still unanswered is what role did Trump have in those crimes?

No amount of denial and screaming about "marxists" is going to alter the Law of the Land seeking justice for We the People.

 

Oh, the irony!

 

You made the un-American threat to deport American voters just because you don't like which party they support!

The Trump campaign has committed actual crimes. That has now been established and verified.

All that remains is to determine the extent of the crimes and who else was involved.

 

Moot point as I am not trying to prove a negative.

 

Kushner wasn't part of the US government and Trump wasn't in office..After Kushner asked to use the Russian embassy offices to communicate with the Kremlin.. The ambassador relayed that message to Moscow and it was picked up by our intelligence services.. The Russian ambassador waited three months to tell the US what Kushner had done. THAT is the sequence of events.

 

Slow down there Derideo. I never made a claim too deport. All I said was to defeat the un-American resisters at the ballot box. You are hallucinating. Verified crimes get prosecuted. We haven't seen any.

 

1. How do you know this?
2. Collusion can happen without a large transmission of data flow.

There are mountains of evidence that the attacks came from Russia. First off cybersecurity found that the source of a couple hacks on the DNC came from groups called "Cozy Bear" and "Fancy Bear" which are affiliated with Russian Intelligence.

Who is insinuating this?

Did they say that there is nothing left to investigate? Was it that they didn't find evidence of collusion yet or that no evidence exists at all and the investigation should be closed?

Sure if you can prove they knew it was false, but their claim isn't that Trump was colluding with Russia but that Russia tried to get Trump to win, Trump officials have a suspicious amount of contact with the Russians, and we need to investigate Russian influence and whether they coordinated.

 

These are your own actual words in post #146;

What else does the term exile mean if not deporting American voters?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/exile

Nowhere did you use the term "defeat" unless that was in your own "hallucination" as to what you imagined that you posted but what you ACTUALLY posted was the term EXILE!

The FBI has already VERIFIED that both Flynn and Kushner ILLEGALLY wanted to set up COVERT communications using Russian intelligence apparatus to subvert the Law of the Land.

That is why it is now a CRIMINAL investigation.

The FBI just needs to determine who instructed Flynn and Kushner and why Trump was OBSTRUCTING justice and THREATENING individuals?

Once that is concluded the Special Counsel will probably be recommending indictments be handed down.[/QUOTE]

 

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I'm so sorry. I should have used the term "defeat" instead of exile I used exile only as a figure of speech. I could have said "exiled" in their desires to elect another Marxist. . This makes another point worth noting: The elite in this country (of which you seem to be one) are so out of touch that they cannot understand the spirit of things said.That is why President Trump often throws them for a loop part of the time and the rest they willingly bend his words. This is why Hillary lost, Too out of touch.
TDS has you in it's clutches. Your fears and analogy is only part of a resistance movement to subvert our Constitution and overthrow our duly elected President. You will see in time. In the meantime.....I'll bet you two Dos Equis, delivered to the favorite establishment of the winner, that Donald Trump will be in office next Memorial Day. Please confirm so I can place this bet along with others I have placed. ( I do quite well at blowing up these illusions)

 

Maybe Russia did try to get Trump to win. They did have Hillary making statements to overturn Putins election (corrupt though it may be) Fact is, Russia interferes with a lot of Democratic elections. It is a known fact. The Obama regimme and the DNC were at work trying to formulate the "collusion narrative" long before the actual election. With the aid of "unmasking" they were still unsuccessful....so they keep up the drumbeat. Their fear is that this administration will return this country to so much success that they will never be elected again for generations. They are probably right in that. It is a desperate fight for them.

 

Brave of you to admit this. Thanks. I do think Russian interference is a problem and needs to be investigated and stopped. I think the Russians are low on allies and are desperate to get people elected who will be more favorable to them.

No, democrats aren't afraid Trump will be too successful, I don't know any democrat who even believes Trump will even have moderate success. They are afraid he is going to do a lot of damage in four years that it will take generations to clean up. So far, there are no real accomplishments Trump has to speak of that actually impacts people's lives. I am still waiting. If I am still waiting in 2018 I am voting democratic.