Trump praises Duterte's deadly drug war in leaked transcript

Yeah, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Nobody wanted the Arab Spring.. Who knew the incident in Tunisia could set off such a mess?

 

(for the record, i misused 'admonish' and edited it, but you seem to have got my meaning)

So why then do you view what Trump did with Duterte so harshly? Duterte has political clout with the Chinese who have political clout with North Korea. The transcripts of the Trump-Duterte convo are clear - Trump needs Duterte to help avoid war with North Korea. Why is it *not* politically responsible of Trump to overlook Duterte's brutality in the interest of international politics and the avoidance of conflict, but it *is* responsible of Hillary to overlook Mubarak's brutality in the interest of international politics and the avoidance of conflict?

 

You may remember Obama cancelled his trip to the Philippines.. Trump gushed at Duterte.

 

Yes he did. Isn't it possible that he 'gushed' so as to flatter the egomaniac into political cooperation?

 

He gushes at everybody.. He even gushed over Jeffry Epstein.

 

Thats one of the common tactics that politicians use to manipulate other people into helping them accomplish their goals. Some people require compensation for favors, others require favors in return... egomaniacs in particular respond very well to flattery (stroking their ego). Trump is an excellent manipulator. He gushed all over Duterte, and it seems to have worked.

 

I'm sorry but the above is silly and intellectually insulting. I stand by my personal opinion, all wars of aggression are war crimes and crimes against humanity and just about all wars of aggression are waged under pretext of "defending freedom and democracy". There is always a false pretext for waging war.

"We've always been at war with Eastasia" - George Orwell ("1984").

That's true, I was being facetious by using the word "sorry".

I already did. I completely understand genocide because many in my family lived and died under a genocidal agenda.

If I'm the only one on the planet who believes that then so be it, I'm on the "fringe of the fringe". The fact is I'm far from the only one but numbers are irrelevant, again I stand by my beliefs. I am not moved by your opposing opinions.

 

Heard of what? You admit you don't even know what it's called.

Is that supposed to be a substitute for a link?

 

That is a spin that one must be desperate before resorting to. Trump identifies with these POS he praises. He alienates the allies of the USA but licks the boots of human rights violators and adversaries ad nauseam.

 

Well, I've not said anything I wanted to be insulting. I've only been assertive with my opinions. Stating you're being absurd when you are stating an opinion help by few is meant to be factual not insulting. However, I never wish someone to take what I say as insulting so please forgive.

Never said you were the only one on the planet but you are pretty far out there with some things.

And don't confuse genocide with war. They are not the same. War has rules today.

I admire your convictions of pacivity even while disagreeing with them.

 

Unfortunately some of your comments are being interpreted as insults. I understand you may not mean them to taken that way but you can't be characterizing opinions as "absurd" and making claims about my alleged confusion and expect them not to be taken negatively.

I know I am. But if everyone had my mentality there would be no such thing as war and genocide. So the opposite is the norm on this planet.

War and genocide often go hand in hand. War is often waged because war mongers use cultural differences as the pretext. I completely disagree, there are no rules of war despite the treaties, those are just pieces of paper.

I appreciate that. My personal view of morality and immorality is driven by everything I've learned over my 7+ decades of existence. And again, I know full well it isn't shared by the vast majority. What is going on today and has been going on since humans first became humans is testament to that. We haven't evolved very far from the bloodthirsty savage beings of the past.

 

I wrote it

 

A source says

 

Perhaps you missed my ad nauseam posts showing Hillary, Bernie and Jill Stein 'licking the boots' of other dictators who tortured and extrajudicially killed en masse...

And no, im not saying 'its ok cuz they did it' but rather its a NORMAL part of politics to pandor to unsavory characters for a political goal.

...which is clearly what Trump is doing if you read the *entire* transcript (not just the cherry-picked versions posted repeatedly in this thread).

And lets see your evidence that 'Trump identifies with these POS' and isn't just playing politics as POTUSes must.

 

He will. First they came for the drug dealers...

 

Duterte's right - cut off the snake's head (the dealers) and it will die. FFS it isn't rocket science.

 

Ill just sum up this thread for everyone:

The logical perspective- Trump needs Duterte on his side for a political goal (muzzling North Korea) and kissing the egomaniacal simpletons ass is the most efficient way to make that happen. Politics 101.

The emotionally biased (and moronic) perspective: I dont like Trump and I dont like mass murder so Trump is obviously promoting mass murder and I dont need to read the whole transcript cuz my feelz are always right.

 

Nor do I, but when it comes to the mass murder of drugs dealers, I'm all for it!

 

Spoken like a true bleeding-heart liberal.

 

Im never for the state killing folks, especially without a trial.
Im really not a fan of kissing dictatorial authoritarian murderer ass either... unless its in the interest of preventing GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR which this clearly is if you read the whole frickin transcript.

 

I realize you've likely not had any psychiatric training as the vast majority on any message board. Calling a post absurd is not a personal remark. Calling you absurd is. I understand you don't see the difference, as many don't, but one is assertive and the other aggressive. One is an opinion of your remark, an infinitesimally small part of you, and the other is naked aggression towards you personally. If you still don't understand then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Most reasonable persons agree aggression is uncivil and ultimately unhelpful to the race. But too many people aren't reasonable and see differences and passivity as a weakness to be exploited. That is why we have defense. I can assure you that most warriors abhor war in a way most people can't. And because of that they work very hard to avoid it. I agree there is profiteering but you cannot condemn a nation's ability to defend itself because part of it is wrong. You still must remain sovereign.

Don't conflate genocide and war between states. While it happens to coincide they are not directly related. Most genocide is internal.

Yes, we are a murdering species. More reason to be able to defend yourself.

 

Well there we differ and ne'er the twain shall meet. Some 'people' are mad-dog sub-human psychos who wouldn't hesitate for a second to kill you for your mobile phone, so in my book they don't deserve to live. Even though you're obviously a liberal, I'd rather they died than you, because the world would be a better place without them.

 

And their wives and children..............

 

I didnt say *I* was against killing them. Just the state.
If more responsible, law abiding people stopped depending on the state to protect them from bad guys and prepared to take their safety and security into their own hands, many of the criminals would be killed in self defense, and many more would re-evaluate their life goals.

 

Oh come on. Most reasonable people aren't going to believe that young children are being killed. l have a real problem killing women and children as does any sane human being. There are times for it although it would still tear the heart out of a man. Women married to drug dealer knowing they are that are complicit. I'd still have a hard time killing her. But you act as if they are going around indiscriminately killing women and children. My guess is IF it occurs it is not a simple problem.

What's your source and their source? I believe I asked for that already and don't remember receiving an answer. How old are the children? Grown and participating or innocents? Are the women also jihadists and/or participating actively?

Many of you liberals strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Go to Haiti and help out there if you're so indignant. I have and other places. Or help out here by mentoring someone in need, etc.