Trump praises Duterte's deadly drug war in leaked transcript

Is Trumps phone call to Duterte any different than Jill Steins tweet: "Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!" taking into consideration the 1253 extrajudicial killings officially attributed to the Castro regime?
http://www.babalublog.com/fidel-cas...d-crimes/fidel-castros-firing-squads-in-cuba/

In your opinion, wass Jill Stein supporting cold-blooded mass murder with her statement?

 

Heads of state generally don't commit murder with their own hands (Duterte is an exception). Someone who orders that a murder be committed and has the order carried out by others is still responsible for murder via complicity. The Nuremburg Principles are very clear on the subject of war crimes.

Priciple III

The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible Government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.

http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft_articles/7_1_1950.pdf

Trump committed war crimes in both Syria and Afghanistan. But you are absolutely correct, he will never be prosecuted for committing war crimes for the same reason that neither George Bush or Barack Obama will ever be prosecuted for committing war crimes, at least not by a major judicial body (Bush and his gang of criminals were found guilty of committing war crimes in absentia by a Malaysian court).

 

I don't agree. And I don't think any court would ever seriously entertain the bombings and missile attacks in those countries to represent a war crime. I think you're confused about what a war crime is vs standard warfare. Please, understand any warrior is going to abhor war even if they prosecute it but killing the enemy in battle is not a war crime. Shooting an unarmed and either captured or surrendered prisoner in the head under normal circumstances is a war crime. Chemical warfare is a crime but tactical nukes isn't. There are reasons why but I'm not getting into it here.

If you want to argue killing an American warrior fighting for ISIS by drone is illegal then you've entered a very grey area which some would call black and white. I don't know the answer.

 

PS: The Malaysian Court was Islamic AFAIK.

 

Most don't because they've been indoctrinated about war ... by war mongers.

Most courts aren't about justice. The murder of innocent people is a war crime, it's not "collateral damage" despite the propaganda.

There is not one iota of confusion on my part, I completely understand the nature of war and war crimes. Many in my family lived and died through both. The vast majority (well over 90%) of those affected (killed or otherwise damaged) by war are innocent people.

The term "enemy" is usually defined by war mongers, not by "warriors".

That is true and applies to any human being.

They are both war crimes, there is no distinction, dead is dead.

See above as to who defines "ISIS". It isn't about American or non-American, it's about humanity.

 

And so were most of the victims of war crimes committed by the Bush gang of criminals.

The Israeli court that prosecuted Adolph Eichmann for war crimes and crimes against humanity was Jewish.

What would you expect?

 

No American can be charged with war crimes. Just before Bush invaded Iraq we passed what is known as the Bomb the Hague Convention.

 

Already been done by a Malaysian court.

What is that? Link please.

 

Not mine. I think she's an idiot...but thankfully she's not the Prez. Unthankfully...Trump IS

So much for that weak comparison.

 

You are confused. There isn't any war in history where civilian casualties don't occur. In fact not that long ago populations were killed and/or enslaved. Look what ISIS does. I get where you're coming from. You abhor violence. Perhaps you're a pacifist. But the definition of a war crime does not include unintentional collateral damage in most instances. The US goes to great lengths to avoid it but you cannot eliminate it entirely esp when the enemy (and ISIS is an enemy) hides amongst it or uses civilians as shields.

No one likes war because it is horrible. Beyond the imagination of those unfamiliar with it. Unfortunately you must at times war on those who war on you. Governments should be careful whom they war on and why. Not all our wars have been justifiable IMO.

 

That's not the correct name Bomb the Hague convention is the nickname, but its easy to find.

 

I saw a bit today that Trump is going to walk back Obama's position on Cuba. I like what Obama did actually. I was a teen when we turned on Cuba. and its been more than 50 years now.. We shared some blame in driving Cuba into the arms of the Soviets because of the Sugar Beet lobby in the US.

 

I find this offensive. The entire world condemned Eichmann and he would have been executed in any court of law not just Jewish. Comparing an architect of the Holocaust, particularly one who did not deny nor condemn it, with anyone else outside that arena is disturbing. I could care less what some kangaroo Islamic court says in this particular instance. Malaysia's neighbors are afraid of it and for good reasons.

 

Your OP's are getting more disconnected with reality every day. With this one, your headline is a flat out lie. Your credibility is zero.

 

Oh come on.. Trump is a stupid man... and crude and vindictive.. He's really NOT the right stuff.

 

And that means you can lie? Are you taking the "2 wrongs make a right" tack? Your morals are set by the people you dislike?

Trump is crude, he might be vindictive, but he certainly is not stupid. The standard tactic of "progressives" is to denigrate people they disagree with - such as calling people astroturf, deplorable, homophobic, stupid. That's become so automatic with progs that they have lost the ability to think and be realistic, but it fits into the prog world of dividing everyone into black and white.

 

Here We Go Again, from Here We Go Again. The most predictable poster here, and who has many like minded comrades.

I am beginning to think, these boys have some form of Tourette's Syndrome. Self medication might be a very good idea. But then again, children should not use drugs. We have discovered that if children use drugs they grow up to be democrats. Has something to do with the loss of too many brain cells, or so it is said. Oh, I got this info from an unnamed source, so you know it has to be true.

 

'not mine' as in... not in your opinion?

 

So you condone death squads and mask it with personal attacks. How trivial. Is there anything you won't condone? Or is it like Trump said, he could shoot someone himself and you wouldn't care.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/foreign-policy/trumps-hand-dutertes-dirty-work/

 

Did you miss my question about jill stein, or just ignoring it?

 

why do you keep omitting the bulk of the phone call where Trump asks Duterte to pressure China for help with North Korea?

It was the purpose of the call, after all.

 

This is the problem with liberalism. They're up in arms over a guy killing off drug dealers while they support millions of convenience abortions every year... With a straight face.

 

What about Bernie? Was he defending Castro's extrajudicial murders when in 1985 he said:
"In 1961, [America] invaded Cuba, and everybody was totally convinced that Castro was the worst guy in the world,' he said.

'All the Cuban people were going to rise up in rebellion against Fidel Castro. They forgot that he educated their kids, gave their kids health care, totally transformed society.

'You know, not to say Fidel Castro and Cuba are perfect - they are certainly not - but just because Ronald Reagan dislikes these people does not mean to say the people in these nations feel the same." ?

Bernie refused to dissavow these comments during the presidential campaign, btw.

So is Bernie a 'cold blooded mass murder' supporter?

 

Heres a good one for you guys... Huffpost says:
"The repressive nature of Egypt’s Mubarak dictatorship has been well-documented by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House and other groups. This is a country where a simple gathering of five or more people without a permit is illegal. Peaceful pro-democracy protesters are routinely beaten and jailed. Martial law has been in effect for nearly 30 years. Independent observers are banned from monitoring the country’s routinely rigged elections, from which the largest opposition party is banned while other opposition parties are severely restricted in producing publications and other activities.

It’s well documented that the Egyptian government engages in a pattern of gross and systematic human rights abuses against perceived opponents of the regime, including massive detentions without due process, torture on an administrative basis and extrajudicial killings."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/815132

And Hillary said in 2009:
"We look forward to President Mubarak coming [to the White House] as soon as his schedule would permit. I had a wonderful time with him this morning. I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see them often here in Egypt and in the United States."

https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/03/mubarak.png

Is Hillary a 'cold blooded mass murder' supporter? Surely at least one of you hasn't blocked me yet...

 

Here we go with the insulting garbage.

It seems to me you're the one who's confused, that's exactly what I posted and you quoted.

So then I'm not "confused" after all I just vehemently oppose killing people. I'm guessing you don't?

Sorry but for me war is a war crime and all wars are intentional murder and often genocide.

Ah that makes me feel so much better about war. It's a bunch of BS propaganda sold to ignorant people to get them to support war. There's nothing exceptional about the US government.

Tell that to the Military Industrial Complex, they make $trillions from waging war. They are made of people.

That's not making war that's defending your life, liberty and country (and those of your loved ones).

Since WWII, there hasn't been one.