Bible Contradictions

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  1. Llewellyn Moss

    Llewellyn Moss Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what your bent about. Does the bible frustrate you ?
     
  2. Arjay51

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    Since you insist, the entire bible = BS.
     
  3. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    Fiction never frustrates me. It seems to make a believer out of you since you fail to think rationally.
     
  4. Llewellyn Moss

    Llewellyn Moss Well-Known Member

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    Well, perhaps we will do better on another topic.
     
  5. WestFork

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    Not sure if it's a contradiction, but Genesis 2.8 has always seemed odd to me. It describes God "walking in the garden in the cool of the day." [KJV]

    Are we to infer from this passage that the omnipotent creator of the universe needs to wait for it to cool off before He (or She) takes a walk?
     
  6. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Since you have a Welsh name why don't you follow the traditional Welsh religion instead of following Yahweh = the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies? The Bible plainly identifies Yahweh as a the God of the Hebrews and not the God of the Welsh. And Yeshua said that he had been sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And the golden cube called New Jerusalem has twelve gates, one for each tribe of the house of Israel. So how do you think you will be able to join their club?
     
  7. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Yahweh likes the odor of burning flesh and he loves fat and cow guts.

    Leviticus 1:8 (CEV) =
    Wash the bull’s insides and hind legs, so the priests can lay them on the altar with the head, the fat, and the rest of the animal. A priest will then send all of it up in smoke with a smell that pleases me."

    Yahweh is a really weird deity. He also loves wine.
     
  8. Llewellyn Moss

    Llewellyn Moss Well-Known Member

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    I'll consider it, thanks.
     
  9. Arjay51

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    Only if you decide to consider other sides and opinions than your own.
     
  10. maat

    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Found it in Genesis 3:8. Not sure it means anything.
     
  11. Llewellyn Moss

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    Maybe. What do think about megaliths ?
     
  12. Arjay51

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    Don't waste my time.
     
  13. WestFork

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    My mistake. Yeah, it probably doesn't mean anything. I just found it to be odd.
     
  14. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Why doesn't the biblical fairy tale say which one of Yeshua's brothers married his widow?
     
  15. Alter2Ego

    Alter2Ego Active Member Past Donor

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    maat:

    Exactly when do you intend to post these "clear" contradictions? I saw none in your opening post.

    At Genesis 6:19-20 where Jehovah instructed Noah to bring "two of all living creatures, male and female," it was with reference to animals that God considers unclean.

    At Genesis 7:2, where Noah was instructed to bring animals in sevens, the verse clearly explained that animals in sevens applies to clean animals. In the very same Genesis 7:2, it elaborated that "one pair" applies to "unclean animals."

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  16. Alter2Ego

    Alter2Ego Active Member Past Donor

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    Matt84:

    There are no verses in the Genesis creation account that says Adam was created on the third day. According to Genesis 1:11-13, the only thing created on the third creative day were plants.

    "{11} Then God said: 'Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.' And it was so. {12} And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds. Then God saw that it was good. {13} And there was evening and there was morning, a third day." (Genesis 1:11-13)

    Humans were not created until the 6th and final creative day, based upon what is stated at Genesis 1:26-31. I will quote three of those verses below.

    "{26} Then God said: 'Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.' {27} And God went on to create the man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them. {31} After that God saw everything he had made, and look! It was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day." (Genesis 1:26, 27, and 31)

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  17. Alter2Ego

    Alter2Ego Active Member Past Donor

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    Matt84:

    Clearly, you do not recognize figurative speech. One of your examples of contradictions in the Bible is your reference to Exodus 33:11 where it states Moses and God spoke face to face.

    "And Jehovah spoke with Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend. And he returned to the camp; but his attendant, Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, departed not from within the tent." (Exodus 33:11 -- Darby Bible Translation)


    You then directed attention to the book of John where it states humans have never seen God--claiming it is a contradiction.

    "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him." (John 1:18 -- Jubilee Bible 2000)


    Why did you go all the way over to the book of John at all? In the very same Exodus chapter 33, at verse 20, it says the exact same thing that is stated at John 1:18.

    "But He [Jehovah] said [to Moses], 'You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!'” (Exodus 33:20 -- New American Standard 1977 )


    The same information about no man being able to literally see God appeared at Exodus 33:20, aka the CONTEXT to Exodus 33:11. The context gives the reader the clue that when the Bible refered to Moses speaking with God "face to face," it is figurative speech--not literal. In reality, Jehovah spoke "face to face" with Moses through one of his angels.


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  18. Matt84

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    Clearly you're picking and choosing what is figurative and what is literal when the sh** doesn't make sense anymore. If the bible is true from Genesis to Revelation, then don't start cherrypicking what is just figurative to suit your agenda.
     
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  19. Alter2Ego

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    Matt84:

    Clearly you have been debunked where speaking "face to face" with God is concerned.

    And while we are on the topic of "cherry picking," what do you suppose you have been doing when you refer to verses of scripture, while ignoring their context? Anybody can read a few words off a page, ignore everything else on the page, and then apply their preconceived meaning to the out-of-context words. It is the context that enables a reader to get the correct understanding of what is being read.

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  20. Matt84

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    I'm not the one promoting the bible, you are.
     
  21. Alter2Ego

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    Matt84:

    Let me get this straight. Your idea of a perfect God is one who is has no feelings and therefore not capable of feeling regret, jealousy, anger, love, etc.? Really? I can understand now why you are up here trying to convince everybody else not to believe in an Intelligent Creator.

    By the way, the word omniscient is a man-made word that was not invented until the 17th century--some 1,700 years after the last book of the Bible was written. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omniscient The word is used by certain religious people to suit their personal philosophy. Scripture does not state that Jehovah is omniscient--all knowing. Jehovah chooses not to know certain things.


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  22. Alter2Ego

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    And? What is your point?

    Your example of supposed Biblical contradiction (Moses speaking "face to face" with God at Genesis 33:11 while John 1:18 says "no one can see God") was debunked by the context at Genesis 33:20--which indicates that speaking "face to face" with God is figurative speech. Your other examples also fell flat. Get over it.


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  23. Alter2Ego

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    Since you falsely claim that Jehovah is only the God of the Hebrews, I would like to see you explain away the following verses of scripture.

    "{34} Then Peter began to speak. "I clearly see," he said, "that God makes no distinctions between one man and another; {35} but that in EVERY NATION those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him." (Acts 10:34-35 -- Weymouth New Testament)


    True, Jesus was sent to establish Christianity to the 1st century Israelites FIRST. But you are conveniently ignoring what the resurrected Jesus Christ instructed his Jewish disciples-turned-Christians to do. They were instructed by him as follows:

    "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," (Matthew 28:19 -- New American Standard Bible)

    Simply put, you refer to parts of scripture that suit your atheism, while you ignore other parts of scripture that level the playing field and gives honest-hearted persons a clear understanding.


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  24. maat

    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Notice that 6:20 states "every kind". Even if you exclude the animals, it contradicts with the birds. You welcome to be willfully ignorant of these facts.
     
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    Okay how many ways can we read this?

    Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."

    Show me the morality of this passage in some context making this a good thing?
     

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