WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT NORTH KOREA?

First off, who says Kim is a lunatic? From simple observation the lunatics are the law breaking neocon driven American foreign policy. Utter lunacy, in what we have done, in the middle east, which makes any rational actor paranoid if you are not on good terms with our money interests. This could not be more clear and obvious

Given our history of breaking international law and invading sovereign nations, mostly based on propaganda, false flags and lies, NK should have been worried, especially seeing what happened to Libya once they gave up their nuke program. How can people ignore what in reality, we are? Beats the hell out of me.

The author of Dilbert, had a good idea, voiced in this thread and I agree with him, Scott Adams.

 

Your opinion and so glad you can read Russia and China's mind! I hold a different opinion, much more rational and not an opinion created by propaganda. So many people have been rendered brain dead by this CIA propaganda. But hey, I called out this propaganda leading up to the invasion of Iraq. How bout you? Be honest sir. I have paid close attention for 70 years. I figured it out long ago. I have seldom been wrong. I will stand on my experience and rationality and being able to think critically.

 

China does not want an ally of the US on its border. Russia gains a leadership role in the world dealing with the US as peers.

I suspect that China may also ask for concessions in the South China Sea, but now I'm just spitballing. there are a million ways this could go, well, under a normal administration anyway.

 

Russia and China have never stuck their necks out to defend another country unless there is a tangible benefit in it for them to do so.

Your thoughts on what you think they would do goes against their entire history of foreign relations.

 

Russia just stuck its neck out with Syria. China is very interested in NK. You read what china said in regards to NK being attacked, reported by Reuters? You need to. You obviously are fed info by a CIA controlled media here? Truth is, very few of us know **** about Russia, china, NK. Fact, but we are conditioned by never ending propaganda. And it is so obvious sir. You really trust your gov't? How in the hell can you do that?

BTW. My dad was the only soldier to survive an attack in NK, and it was not NK who killed all but him. It was the Chinese. So, bullocks

 

Russia got access to Syria as a naval base and has concessions for oil and natural gas drilling in Syria and its territorial waters. That's quid pro quo.

Russia and China aren't going to blanket defend North Korea without something in it for them.

 

The US probably has technology that could be used to completely wipe NK from the face of the earth. Would be a good time to use it.

 

Yeah, I'm not saying it would be easy. Early in my career, I worked at the US Patent and Trademark Office. I was a mid level IT engineer who was tasked with working on the organizations largest IT project, putting patents online. Cut to the chase, it was hard and there were lots of people and interest and companies involved.

The CEO at the time pulled all the teams in a room (there were at least 12 vendors on 50 separate projects). Everyone complaining about everyone else. Everyone laying out excuses why they were behind waiting for others.

He went around the table and asked people what they wanted. What they were advocating for. What they needed to achieve their goals. Different teams would tell them what they wanted/ needed. Then he would ask what they were doing to try to get it. Then he would, after taking notes, ask them if what they were doing was really getting them any closer to what they claimed to want. Then he would peer back at his notes and read back to them they things that they had said they were doing, many of them weren't actually moving the team in question closer to its goal. Then he very calmly asked them what they needed and would turn to the other groups and asked them what it would take to get there.

My story probably does not translate well in my writing. But it was an example of leadership I've only witnessed a few times. He was an amazing leader and knew how to talk, how to connect with people and motivate people to want to give him what he wanted.

Now I say that because I look at what's going on and I ask the question....What is it that the government (publically) says it wants?

Are the actions we're taking getting any closer to what we, as a nation, claim to want?

The truth is, I don't think what we say that we want is really all that we want. We want to be "tough" and we want others to bend to our will, not just the de-nuclearization of NK. Is the tough talk really going to get us what we want? Even if it does, how do you think that's going to affect the next situation? Look at Iraq. Did we achieve what we wanted? Perhaps shortsightedly, but not in the longer run....

Until our actions align with what we claim we want, the results will be ambigious at best.

Of course, there are two sides to this. The same question can be asked of the NK.....

 

For you kind, war is the only solution to everything. Particularly if you can watch i from behind your keyboard.

 

Rather than draw that line- we should have eliminated the possibility. You don't give a rifle to a brat with a slingshot and a bad attitude because other people have rifles. It is not the weapon that is the threat, it the person controlling it. If you can't take the person out of the position, you certainly don't provide him arms. We provided a substantial level of nuclear support to NK on the premise that they could have nuclear power generation, in exchange for not pursuing nuclear weapons- which of course they did immediately with the help of our support. . Blame that one on Clinton. Part of the question here is if we will ever learn to stop making stupid mistakes like that. If you are unable to tell the difference between a snake and a stick, you should stay out of the woods and let someone else lead. Unfortunately, there is no one else- so we had better resolve ourselves to doing what must be done when it needs to be done.

 

China will defend NK!!!!
thank you China!!!!!

someone has to put Trump in his place

 

And what base or armory are you typing from? If you want, we can switch to the GoArmy forums, you can register your AKO account and we can have a chat like real verified soldiers

 

Thanks honey bunch, you kind is just as cowardly as the Donald.

 

I'm confused, are you not going to register your AKO account on the government-owned GoArmy forum so we can have a conversation like soldiers? What branch of service are you in? You can have the mods register your account. Once we see the beret, we know you're legit.

You can PM me if you need help

 

It's one thing to acknowledge your mistakes, to be humble and learn to do better. However there are no countries who never make mistakes- and making them is hardly a reason to act with sheer stupidity in the future, or allow others to become bullies. When you hold the position or leadership, there will always be those blaming you for something. The practice of letting the weeds grow out of control because you are afraid of damaging the good crop always leads to a crop of nothing but weeds

 

Those coward bastards are the main population, from the hate party, in these political forums. Thanks for the advise. It seems I just always write what I think and It is a little strained by the fact the scum bag and the people who voted for him are by far the biggest threat and enemy of this country. They have to go.

 

I 'll tell you why you should try to trust your government , first it is probably the best government in the world and if you get carried away with your paranoia , you have one solution and that is to destroy our government,Like scum bag is doing. Problem is you will destroy the country with it. I think this non stop paranoia by the right is dangerous, In fact I know it is, paranoia and hatred elected a hate candidate in this country, something I thought could never happen.

 

I always have to hold my tongue when young people tell me they are going into the service. You had Bush the baby killer , start a war on a complete and total lie and is responsible for killing 5000 American hero's . The trouble is these young people go into the service, go to war and come back with problems because of the things they had to do to stay alive in these wars. Something that
is against there religion but somehow is given a pass on it by religion, government and law. It has to be remembered that killing people is one of the prime sins in Christianity and it is drilled into them ,if they are Christians, for the first 18 years of their lives. The real problem is when they go in , they are young and pliable , flag waving and believers . The problem lies in the fact that 90% of our wars have been lies and distortion and when these young people find this out, what they had to do to stay alive, looses its pass and they spend the rest of their lives a mental wreck.

 

For a nation that threatened the United States with a nuclear attack, I don't think "acting tough" is unwarranted. However getting just the de-nuclearization would be a massive win, as it's stymied 3 previous administrations.

 

Just to be clear, you are taking North Korea's side in this conflict?

 

I prefer the "talk softly but carry a big stick" approach.

 

absolutely not.

i only support war with NK if they attack us first or about to attack us

 

Yeah, but you have to have your opponent believe you'll use the big stick.

 

"About to attack us" is the same thing as pre-emptive war. That's what you're supporting?

 

I think the winning move is to use this, Trumps first real international test-expected for each President, to begin actively arming our allies in the region with nukes. South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, etc. Also, hold China and Russia to their word regarding Nork sanctions.

China will bitch and moan, and Trump can ask them to reflect on if North Korea getting nukes and sabre rattling is worth it not.

Predictably, the allowance of North Korea to get nukes (Thanks Bill Clinton) will lead to an arms race in the region.

It will happen next in the middle east due to Iran. (Thanks Obama).