62% of Americans want Confederate statues to remain

I think there is plenty of irony when the conservatives are getting testy at communities that are having this debate on what should stay or not in their parks or outside their city hall. Its basically a coalition of blacks, liberals,the higher educated, millennials, and business owners who want to rid their communities of a confederate past that they think soils the image they want to sell tourists and investors, of a town that is post segregation, and modern . Times are achanging and the new generation is pushing out the ideas of the older generation and it is doing it in major cities in the deep south.

Just let the dynamic happen, and let the democratic process go forward. The rest of us can sit on the sidelines, and lay low as each town decides when they are ready to make the change. We don't need to have any opinion at all on what statues and flags fly a hundred or more miles away from us.

 

Another one bit the dust Monday!

Confederate statue removed downtown
A Confederate heritage group relocated ‘Old Joe’
Jessica Giles, Staff Writer Aug 17, 2017 Updated 6 hrs ago

"While protests in Charlottesville have caused an upset nationally, a Confederate statue in Gainesville was removed Monday with little fanfare from passersby.

The statue, nicknamed "Old Joe," stood in front of the Alachua County Administration Building and has garnered its fair share of attention throughout its 113-year lifespan. Without pomp or ceremony, construction workers hired by the United Daughters of the Confederacy removed the statue in rainy weather at about 11 a.m. Monday morning.

Gainesville Police spokesman Officer Ben Tobias said there was a GPD officer present as a precautionary measure, but the removal was carried out peacefully. "We were all very appreciative of the way people behaved," he said."

Even the former Governor of Mississippi says that they all have to go!!

Former Mississippi Gov: Every Single Confederate Statue Must Be Removed Forever
Secretary Ray Mabus
6:33 PM ET

"Mabus, who has served as Governor of Mississippi, Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Secretary of the U.S. Navy, is CEO of The Mabus Group.

Monuments to treason. That is exactly what blights nearly every courthouse square in the South, Confederate statutes and memorials celebrating those who took up arms against the United States in defense of slavery.

As a former Mississippi governor and a fourth-generation native, who grew up in the segregated South, I believe those monuments and statues and memorials never should have been erected in the first place, a view shared by Robert E. Lee, who wrote a few years after the Civil War that he thought it “wiser not to keep open the sores of war but to… commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.”

These symbols of unrepentant oppression — every single one — must be removed now and forever.

The truth is the vast majority of these Confederate monuments — like the addition of elements of the Confederate battle flag to some Southern state flags — came between the 1880s and the 1920s to re-establish white supremacy."

 

It is called the post truth America.

 

Treason is used a lot in the rhetoric to take down these statues but that is historically incorrect. It didn't become treasonous until 1895 by law.

 

Intelligent people know treason when they see statues of traitors.

At the start of the 1900s there was a movement to forgive the traitors and by 1958 the traitors were declared US veterans by law, signed by Eisenhower.

Today, people across the country are rejecting that and demanding that the traitors' statues be removed. It may take some time and I will probably never see it but they will be removed, one way or the other. Those who want to keep them are on the wrong side of history.

 

2/3rds of the country are on the wrong side of history? You're funny!

 

You will see.

 

They polled 1,125 people; its hardly representative of our country; Let them poll 100 million people or more and then you'll have a more credible poll to go by.

 

Same poll has Trumps approval at 35%, lmao!

 

Here is a picture of Native American Indians of whom the largest majority of them fought for the Confederacy. I haven't found out if there are any statues of them yet.
Is it possible that these Americans are racists and bigots? Would the left ever claim such??? I thought that, in the game of "identity politics", non-white minorities were merely victims and could not be classified as such? I think the leftists really have a problem here. Their history erasure has to be very careful to only erase "white American" efforts and not diminish those of the minorities they want to court. It is a tricky game.

 

Same polls that had Hillary winning.

 

What a great idea.

While we are at it, lets let local representatives decide what is best regarding public education in their area, and health care, and transportation, and property rights, and hiring practices.

Sound good? Sounds great to me.

 

So Mr. Gawd unto himself... are these American Indians traitors?? You have all the answers, Let's hear it!

 

Indeed.

The left is trying to destroy the nation's art, culture and history in retaliation for the fact that their pet monster lost.

 

Sarcasm has no sting and is rather silly and obtuse when it is in response to something sensible and logical.

 

you can remember history without placing it on a alter in the town square, I would not want a statue of Hitler in the town square either, we can remember it from history books and the like, many of these statues were erected during the civil rights movement for the wrong reasons and most know this

 

Over 62% of Americans don't live in areas touched by the monuments.

While personally I say leave them be, The wishes of those in the areas touched are really the only ones that matter.

 

part of history is throwing orange paint on these statues, some want to erase that, what do they have against history, leave it be... right?

 

the founding fathers were traitors.

 

i bet vast majority of the people that live in the area have no problem with them, but they sure as hell arn't going to say that publicly

 

It's the same with terrorists.

A thin line between terrorist/freedom fighter/patriot.

 

Could very well be.

Votes are anonymous though

 

People who don't appreciate sarcasm are generally fat women who haven't slept with a man in decades.........but love their cats......not that there's anything wrong with that.....

 

We touched on this a few days ago...

What if outside money pours in from either side to influence the outcome of a LOCAL referendum?

What if Apple or Google says "We won't be in any place with statues," or if a company threatens to leave (as a publicity stunt) if statues stay?

Such companies may have planned to leave anyway, or might never have gone to these areas, or might be using the statues as leverage, holding local art and culture hostage to get a better deal.

Is this okay?

 

no, there isn't.

but the founding fathers were, in fact, traitors.

you can hate on the confederates for being slave owners all you want, but hating on them for being traitors is ridiculous when this country was founded by traitors.