62% of Americans want Confederate statues to remain

Antiduopolist said:

Consequences are predictable.

See the thread just posted where demands are being made to remove a statue of Sanger; there's also a demand that one of Malcolm X be removed.

It's begun, and we either come to our senses, or we allow ourselves to be extorted into destroying our own culture.

All thoroughly predictable.

 

Lest we forget, this leftist movement to "purge" the society of symbols and artifacts representing European centric culture, started as far back as the Clinton regime.

1st they attacked symbols of Chrlstianity. There were demands not only to remove Christian crosses from public places but pass new laws to PROHIBIT persons from displaying Christmas nativity figures. They removed Christian slogans. They forbid Christian praying in school. They even attempted to erase the word "Christmas" from the lexicon and in the politically correct world of utopia, those uttering such word were called "racists"

This "Hope and Change" movement was escalated during the Obama regime. What really infuriated the conservatives was the double standard Obama injected: Muslim prayer allowed. Christian prayer forbidden. Black theology good. White theology bad. Progressive ideology good. Conservative ideology racist. This was the high water mark for the radical left, the Obama regime.

The radical left thought their war with traditionalist America was nearly over. It was a simple matter of electing Hillary Clinton, to carry on the final solution: The complete transformation of the society into their vision of a Brave New World. They were utterly shocked that Trump got elected instead. So they created the "resistance" the Antifa as the spearhead of the Alt Left. They have been relentlessly attacking people without provocation since the very 1st Trump rally that marked his entrance as 2016 Republican Presidential candidate.

Their "Russian Collusion" narrative has failed. Utterly failed. So of course, there is only thing left to do, continue controversy, to disrupt. And they found exactly the prescription: Attack historical artifacts. They started with graveyards. Removing any confederate flags from confederate soldiers gravestones. Then they "progressed" to vandalism, and now their Progressive onslaught escalation with BLM and LGBT to attack the very infrastructure, and shut it down, makes THEM the REAL deplorables.

 

Intelligent people understand historical context.

 

Would it not serve society better to erect an information station near the statue explaining that it was put there by a named list of racists during the civil rights movement to inflame racial tensions, if that's what really happened? Would it not serve society better to show proof that our government engaged in deceptive practices by saying the statue was erected to honor the confederate soldier, when it really was put there to achieve or advance racial division? Would putting that proof on display for everyone to see not remind our governance that The People will hold them accountable by name, long after they are dead, if they engage in a similar deception. I think it might.

I think the teaching opportunity afforded by leaving the statues and, instead, educating people about their ugly origins is far more valuable to society than letting a mob tear them down and haul them to the dump. I think erecting monuments to our FAILURES is far more valuable than our successes.

 

Right out of RW radio.

Who is seeking to erase our history?

Because you cannot erase or hide history but can learn from it, means we have to have monuments to those representing causes most find abhorrent?

So are you saying we need to put up monuments to Hitler and Stalin, because otherwise we'd be "erasing" and "hiding" from history?

 

Also see this thread about the torching of a Lincoln statue in Chicago:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/abraham-lincoln-monument-torched-in-chicago.512490/

 

no, these were put there during the civil right movement, it would be better to move them to a museum, maybe next to the dump so people could go visit them if they wanted too, but I do agree with you, until removed, something like you say should point out what the real intent of the statues was

the problem is the location of these nonsense, just move them to somewhere more appropriate

I also would not want tons of Hitler statures with him doing the Hitler salute in our town square

 

Please see post #83 for an expansion on what I'm saying, and keep your childish ad-homs to yourself.

 

They aren't much on the Pledge of Alliance, either.




And this, the United States of America, is your country.

What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people.

January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again.

The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer.

Everyone is listening to you now.

You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement the likes of which the world has never seen before.

At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction: that a nation exists to serve its citizens.

Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves.

These are the just and reasonable demands of a righteous public.

But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge; and the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.

This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.

We are one nation – and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams; and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny.

The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans.

~1st Inaugural Address, Donald J. Trump

 

you seem to be missing the point, Iriemon is right, it would be no different then having a Hitler statue put on a pedestal in your town square that the Nazi's came to worship, it would not be erasing history to move it to a museum

 

These were not "put there during the the civil rights movement."

Where "more appropriate?"

By whose reckoning?

At what cost - monetary and cultural?

Should the Jefferson Memorial, Washington Monument and White House be torn down?

Two celebrate slave-holders, and one was built with slave labor.

Where does it end?

 

January 20th 2017 reminds us what happens when good people do not get out and vote......

maybe we need to raise everyone's taxes by $1000 and then offer everyone a $1000 tax credit if they vote, call it the Trump tax, to remind them to vote

be better then taxing them for the upkeep of these statues

 

I had a hard time getting past Iremon's childish and dismissive opening ad-hom to take anything beyond that seriously (as has been the case in almost every interaction I've had with him here)

 

What museum?

Where?

At what cost?

Why?

Will people be forced to pay to see what was once freely visible?

Should the Iwo Jima Memorial be torn down or hidden because we interned Japanese Americans?

 

You remedy that by getting out and voting in the next election, not by engaging in political violence covered with a blizzard of lies. The Electorates of 30 and half states are not fooled and they still control 57% of the electoral college.

You may be grabbing the spotlight but you are not making your case, you are doing the converse, each of these events leaves the Electorate liking you even less.

We see through your fake news media lies and your staged violent street theater. It's pretty obvious.

Charlottesville and Its Aftermath: What If It Was a Setup?

 

People are going to be a**holes regardless of logic or facts....so a statue is no biggie, as it's a representation of a part of history that should NOT be hidden.

A state flag, however, is a whole other smoke, as the Confederate flag DOES NOT represent any state of the union government (federal or local). They lost that civil war...time they dealt with that reality.

 

It reminds us of what happened when you guys believed the lying polls. You guys trust a lot in lies and polls.

How is that working out for you?

 

anywhere but the middle of town square or in front of the court house, ect.... how about we take old land fill land that can not be resold and set it up there then

we could remember the trash history better by remember where they are and why they are there and when that smell entered their nose while visiting them, it would be a reminder that they were a disgusting part of American history

what is the cost to upkeep these current statues where they are, what was the cost of the life lost this weekend, the cost is too high to keep them where they are

 

8 years of Obama and only now this is suddenly the most pressing issue of the moment? Why?

Rush: Left Tearing the Nation Apart While GOP Does Nothing

 

What southern state was the poll taken?

 

What is the cost of moving AND upkeep?

Should all gay nightclubs be moved because of the terrible tragedy in Florida? The cost of life was in the dozens there.

Should all black churches be moved because of Roof?

 

You can be offended. You just can't tear down or burn things that offend you. Since you do, they will do the same.

 

NAACP Leader Says Confederate Statues Are Not a Problem

 

Bingo.