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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    It claims that people lived 300 - 950 years.....so can we agree that people who follow those religions don't have a strong belief in reality?
     
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    your obsession with attacking people, rather than just ideologies, is symptomatic of extreme arrogance and a hostile/belligerent nature.
     
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    Absolutely.

    But because it is an ideology and therefore liable for criticism, Muslims and their supporters on the Left try to mislabel Islam as a "race", in order to garner some politically correct sympathy, or use the term "Islamophobia" to suggest any criticism of Islam is a mental disorder.

    But everyone knows these are lies - Islam being a religion of peace is another, or that bad people are distorting the Koran still another - but many go along with these lies, especially political leaders, feeling perhaps that their false words will maintain peace while they're still in office so they can kick that Islamic can down the road.

    Meanwhile deaths mount, censorship becomes acceptable and encouraged, hate speech laws proliferate - as well as anything construed as a 'hate crime' - and these are usually applied only in one direction.

    All major wars have begun in Europe, largely due to their lethargic inaction, and this time may be no different. Most Muslims are simply too brainwashed and fearful of upsetting their fellow travelers to make any protest which can amount to anything, and many will blame others, often Americans or 'the right', for what's going on.

    But it's Occam's Razor writ large. The problem is Islam and its practitioners. It is a noxious disease spread by its brainwashed followers and their historically and politically ignorant sympathizers. One's as dangerous as the other.
     
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    We can at least agree that if we were in god's shoes, to help make "our" followers not look like (apparently) idiots that think the earth is only about 6000 years old (he'd KNOW that this would come up!) we'd have simply said "look, the earth is about 4.5 billion years old"....right Ronstar? Can we at least agree on that?
     
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    You appear to believe that those that approve of a book that actually thinks, in many places no less, that people live 300 - 950 years can say they believe in REALITY!?
     
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    hate the sin, love the sinner.

    you seemed obsessed with attacking people.

    its not healthy
     
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    So you won't condemn the Nazi PEOPLE THEMSELVES, apparently?
     
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    Nazis are a whole special breed of evil
     
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    I love Muslims, Jews, Christians, and yes, surprisingly, even Scientologists.
     
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    that's a lie.

    you clearly hate MUslims
     
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    Stef Molyneux, typically all hell, fire & brimstone but on the money:


     
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    I think we can both agree that a "whole special breed of evil" would be any belief system that teaches its followers that they will have to kill the Jews, right Ronstar? Can we agree on that?

    "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177
     
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    I love them more than even you do - I care about them enough to condemn Q5:33 which say to cut off hands, and to cut off feet, and also lists crucifixion as a good punishment - I don't want to see that happen to Muslims (or anybody) because I love Muslims that much. Do you love them enough to condemn Q5:33 and those that give said verse to their impressionable young children, Ronstar?
     
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    Yet Mohammad gets a PASS on all of this.
     
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    I am FOR, yes, FOR, full Muslim integration into all nations (including my own), as I've stated before on this forum. So obviously I don't "hate" Muslims. Brewskier has condemned me for this, and I do see his valid points about that increasing terrorism (yes Islam is very very violent), but I stand by my desire to see full Muslim integration into all nations, including America.
    So much for my "hatred" of Muslims.
     
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    On that we agree.
     
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    Hitler taught to kill gays, and god of the Bible taught the same thing, and so did Mohammad....so can we agree that Hitler, god of the Bible, and Mohammad are in the same barbaric ball-park when it comes to treatment of gays, Ronstar?
     
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    That, like an alt-right racist, that he was only concerned with one particular ethnicity....clearly Jesus was a racist. Hitler, too, was only concerned with one race. I love all races equally, because Modern Secular Humanism has risen above Nazism and Jesus/Bible.
     
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    If you love Muslims so much then I'm sure that if you were in Allah's shoes that you, Ronstar, would of course have said to Mohammad "hey, get off Aisha you perv - you're my hand-picked #1 role model of all time and I don't want people having sex with children!!" Can we agree that if you were in Allah's shoes that you'd say that, Ronstar? I of course would have....how about you?
     
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    ANY belief system that, say, sends Jews to gas chambers or to a "lake of fire" is a "special breed of evil", right Ronstar? Seems reasonable, no?
     
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    when the Christains were burning Jews at the stake, the Muslims took us in as refugees.

    during the Muslim rule of Spain, the Jews lived a Golden Age of prosperity and learning.
     
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    Uh huh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

    Cohen and Ye'or. Not all Jews subscribe to the alleged utopia that Jews enjoyed living as 2nd class citizens in Muslim lands.
     
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    Yeah Islam LOVES jews.

    You guys should move to Mecca.
     
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    Having invaded the areas throughout Southern Spain, and coming to rule in a matter of seven years, Islamic rulers were confronted with many questions relating to the implementation of Islamic Rule on a non-Islamic society. The coexistence of Muslims, Jews, and Christians during this time is revered by many writers. Al-Andalus was a key center of Jewish life during the early Middle Ages, producing important scholars and one of the most stable and wealthy Jewish communities and a relatively educated society for the Muslim occupiers and their Jewish collaborators, as well as some Christians who openly collaborated with the Muslims and Jews.

    MarĂ­a Rosa Menocal, a specialist in Iberian literature at Yale University claims that "Tolerance was an inherent aspect of Andalusian society".[1] Menocal's 2003 book, The Ornament of the World, argues that the Jewish dhimmis living under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were still better off than in the Christian parts of Europe. Jews from other parts of Europe made their way to al-Andalus, where in parallel to Christian sects regarded as heretical by Catholic Europe, they were not just tolerated, but where opportunities to practise faith and trade were open without restriction save for the prohibitions on proselytisation.

    Bernard Lewis takes issue with this view, calling it ahistorical and exaggerated. He argues that Islam traditionally did not offer equality nor even pretend that it did, arguing that it would have been both a "theological as well as a logical absurdity."[2] However, also Lewis states:

    Generally, the Jewish people were allowed to practice their religion and live according to the laws and scriptures of their community. Furthermore, the restrictions to which they were subject were social and symbolic rather than tangible and practical in character. That is to say, these regulations served to define the relationship between the two communities, and not to oppress the Jewish population.[2]

    Jews were allowed certain freedoms but, like their Christian counterparts, were prohibited from having administrative authority over Muslims except in a few cases.
     

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