Defeating the bogeyman of single payer healthcare

What do you think rationing accomplishes? BTW you advocate the VA so you must think dying while waiting for an appointment is AOK.

Some procedures are already not allowed in Obamacare based on cost.

 

We already have rationing and death panels. They are called HMO's

 

I don't advocate the VA.. so you are wrong again. The VA is owned an operated by the government. Do you not understand single payer- private delivery?

What procedures are not allowed under Obamacare?

 

And how much the potential lawsuit will cost him if he doesn't live up to his end of the contract...

 

Apples and oranges, the federal governments main job is to protect the country not regulate everyone's HC. It's a state's issue if you want govt involved in HC.

 

Nevermind the opposition from Republicans for a moment. Bernie's plan calls for a tax increase raising the marginal tax rates on the upper income brackets, and it replaces the private medical insurance industry. This is going to run into opposition from well-to-do liberals who don't want to pay higher taxes, many of whom like their private health insurance.

Currently, the nation spends between 3 and 4 trillion dollars on health care annually. Bernie's plan raises $1.38 trillion according to his website. I understand that Universal is supposed to cost less, but that difference is concerning. That's in the area of a 2/3rds reduction in health care spending. Something tells me that is overly optimistic.

Bernie claims that his plan is fully paid for, and he outlines where that $1.38 trillion comes from. But the problem is that once a program like this is enacted, it becomes an entitlement. This means that the government must pay for everyone's health care regardless of whether or not it has the money to pay for it. If the government isn't raising enough money to pay for it, it is forced to deficit spend for it. When that happens, we are faced with having to increase taxes even more or we can go bankrupt. Even deficit spending has limits as to what we can bear and not destroy our economy and our dollar.

Another concern is that it's always popular to start some new spending program when there is nearly full employment, and everyone is optimistic about the economy. The problem is that we know this is cyclical, and there will be slow-downs and recessions, and when that happens, government brings in less money. But the entitlement remains, and the government is forced to borrow even more to pay for it.

 

Healthcare should be an entitlement

 

As I understand it the most feasible plan of "Medicare for all" comes on incrementally over a period if years.. The first expansion making it available for 55 year olds.

 

Nothing says democrats care than raising taxes on everyone.

 

Nothing says republicans more than tax cuts for the rich

 

But it must be fully paid for, every year, in years of boom or bust, without deficit spending.

 

I have no problem with that. Other countries do it. I say start cutting the military. Cut it in half and then we can go from there

 

The projected deficit for FY 2017 is about $600 billion. The entire defense budget for 2017 is $632 billion, and it represents 16% of the federal budget.

I don't think 16% is too much, and I would not agree to cutting defense. America would not agree to that - liberals or conservatives. But even if we cut defense in half, we would still have around a $300 billion deficit.

 

That is nonsense. Health insurers enjoyed record profits as the ACA was rolled out.

Where do you get the idea that any health insurance company in the US has to be cometative? Health insurance in the US is a closed market dominated by a small oligopoly. There is NO incentive to manage costs whatsoever, beyond the cap on loss ratio imposed by Obamacare. (private insurance used to eat up 18 cents of every health care dollar in administration ,compared to about 5 cents for Medicare).

 

Nice right wing talking points. Is that the updated version of tossing Granny over he cliff?

 

Did you miss the part about this being a return on investment? What you pay in taxes comes back in reduced cost in healthcare.

Why are you trying to bloat this thread with right wing talking points?

 

I think ten CBG's when no enemy has more than one is way overkill

 

You are another one that confuses quantity with profit margin. Your cost comparison is apples to oranges. The Medicare costs do not count all the other agencies and building costs, for instance like needing the IRS to collect.

Guarantee if government runs it much more will be lost to corruption, scamming, and inefficiency.

 

MediCare for All will save the USA at least $400 billion a year

 

You mean exactly what Bernie is proposing is a right wing talking point?

 

Bwahahaha! All Obamacare did was increase costs, don't expect inefficient government to reduce costs.

 

the ACA is only 6 years old.

allowed to function fully over time, it may indeed reduce the rate of yearly cost increase

 

Evidently you are the only one that doesn't realize that Obamacare never addressed cost.

 

costs are increasing in part cause Trump refuses to guarantee cost sharing subsidies.

 

COST OF HEALTHCARE. Try and follow along. You think those cost just disappear with government subsidies?