Mass Shooting in Vegas

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure that I already did. He wrote about it, and referenced his anger with ms Reno et al. So, pretty sure, asked, and answered. I would suggest that he was pre-convinced to carry out the attack on the federal building. I doubt that the potential of small kids in day care ever entered into the conversation. Unless you feel that you can cite a credible source to the contrary, playing this silly game is futile.

    If this person was converted and became militant, help us understand how this could not have happened. It's too easy to say facts not in evidence, (BTW I've said that a couple times already), but you're the one suggesting your personal knowledge of the person and the incident transcends the normative or otherwise public data so far. Feel free to explain your deep knowledge of "these evil people" targeting "innocents" as if those in the crowd at the Jason Aldean concert weren't?
     
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    Why do you think your opinion of what is necessary has any meaning as to the limits of my rights?
     
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    Which laws would have stopped this crime?

    His guns were already highly illegal and that didn't stop him.

    If the answer is "no guns" that is not a possibility

    This is like the "Hearts and Minds" thing in the countries we have attacked, this problem cannot be solved through laws
     
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    And here we have a near-perfect fallacious appeal to emotion - as expected.
    You forgot to mention the children.
     
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    The (living) brother struck me as VERY odd as well.
     
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    But you are proposing the limitation of his, I can understand why this is such a hot button topic.
     
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    sadly so many were harmed or lost their lives, but the cops did respond very quickly, it could of been much worse even as bad as it was
     
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    So far, they all are.
    Feel free to present one that is not.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about. What personal knowledge do I have of what "person"? And what about the people in the crowd at the concert? Are you saying they did something to deserve this?
     
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    Unless you can find a law that allows for time travel, there are none. But that's not the point and never been an acceptable reason to dismiss this discussion.

    We are trying to make future similar events, or even wholly unrelated events wherein guns were used inappropriately to cause death or severe injury, less likely.
     
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    You left out the burrito connection.
     
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    Which is?...
     
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    105 ft? I thought it was about 4, 4.5 football fields. No way a pistol shoots accurately at those ranges.
     
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    You haven't see any of my arguments. But Ok...can I establish a ground rule before we start?

    The main reason - from my point of view - for limiting access to firearms is because of the death and injury that results, right? That I am not pushing gun control because I want the government to have the ability to make unreasonable demands or just because I want to personally cause you financial or physical harm?

    Will you agree that is a worthy goal and that discussions of firearms resulting in death or injury is not automatically "a fallacious appeal to emotion, ignorance, and/or dishonesty?"

    If not, there's no point in continuing.
     
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    Not in the slightest.
    We have a right to keep and bear arms for any number of perfectly legitimate reasons; our right to do so shall not be infringed.
    You seek to infringe that right. We oppose you; our reaction is perfectly reasoned.
     
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    No idea what ^ this ^ is about. I know it has nothing to do with this:
     
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    sure he is in shock too, I can't imagine if one of my family did something like this
     
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    Just so I know somebody else has seen this. We all thought we heard 2 shooters. But they just say 1 and constantly show an image with a busted out window. Here is a link to a quick fox report, where they screw up and show 2 broken windows in the background

     
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    I don't think people using this argument are thinking it through either....

    Can you imagine if 200 people in the crowd were carrying pistols and all started just ripping rounds up towards the hotel window they thought was it?
     
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    This is how I saw it, he looked normal to me.

    But yeah, complete and utter (literally medically) shock
     
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    Reports are shooter didn't have a criminal record. He would have, or did pass a background check.
     
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    "Bam?" What do you propose?
     
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