Stop Pretending You're A Patriot

People can't participate in political activities at work. Would there be a pro- or anti-abortion demonstration by employees on their employers property. I think not.

Smart business owners don't allow any political speech or displays at their place of business. It alienates patrons.

But in Hollywood, and now in the NFL, it appears the ole liberal double standard reins supreme. Players can't wear decals supporting police officers or remembering victims of 9/11, but can wear socks that depict cops as pigs and take a knee.

Finally, I feel that propagating, on a world stage, the false narrative that, in the US, black people are just killed by police without just cause is wrong.

 

I did not say we must all have the same principles, only that you must support and defend the ones the country is founded on. There's no room for principles that reject a healthy individual's right of self agency for example.

Unequivocally, you must agree, find another country, or find yourself subject to our law.

So in that example, the abolishment of slavery was very patriotic, even though different principles came at odds even with contradictions in the constitution. The principle of all men being created equal, and deserving of equal treatment under the law superseded any other principle.

So the thing that's being defined as patriotism isn't about objecting to the design of the country. It's about defending that design. You can't be a patriot and demand the abolishment of property ownership. Under the premise that dissent is patriotism you could be. I find that idea offensive.

 

Consult my profile name ... but I agree with you entirely.

 

Ask yourself what kind of country you will have when everyone decides it's appropriate to act out about everything they feel isn't fair.
A kindergarten of spoiled children, all demanding satisfaction by insulting the other kids and showing continuous belligerence?

Is that a society you want to raise your children in, so they will see that everyone insults everyone else anytime they don't like how they feel and think it's the right things to do?

The value of Freedom of speech is predicated on reasonable tolerance and civility among people. If you turn it into freedom of disruption and disrespect without limits, it turns into freedom to abuse. I won't vote for that one.

This incident- and that is all it is, of little importance other than the rancor it has created because of the way it was done- is less about freedom of speech than it about the right to take a paid venue or stage sold for a specific purpose and use it for your soapbox, like you were Rosa Parks demanding a seat in front of the bus- which you got on after parking your Rolls Royce and shed your bling long enough to protest,.

Protest of a genuine wrong is legitimate and respectable.
Stealing a venue like this to do it is not.
Ignoring all those who are exposed to the same injustice you protest but are of a different color- is racist.
Excusing bad behavior as freedom of speech is to demand freedom to abuse, and to reject the obligation to act respectably.

Society IS losing it's sense of responsibility, it's self-respect, it's grasp of the value of dignity and integrity.
People are free to promote that too, but it comes with a very expensive price tag. I'm not buying it.

 

That said, I realize that currently people are protesting what they feel is unequal treatment under the law. The problem they have is that our entire system is designed to treat people as individuals, not as the group(s) people belong to. The concept of "social justice" is quite different than the concept of individual justice. You can't have both.

I've yet to see an instance of individual injustice that our system did not have an effective mechanism to address that injustice. An instance of police brutality requires an investigation, due process, the rights of everyone involved are considered, debated, adjudicated.

Social justice on the other hand attempts to gerrymander judicial verdicts. It's based on the idea that no matter how you group a room full of people, they should be equal along every metric you wish to measure. If you group them by skin color, their median income should be the same. If you group them by heritage, they should have the same criminal history statistics. If you group them by eye color they should have the same medical history. Any metric you find that is both unfavorable, and unequal to them must be the result of injustice. The concept is completely devoid of individual agency, and inherently creates outcomes that produce individual injustice.

 

Did you howl these sorts of things when Obama and his leftists tried to start race-wars in this nation and in every possible way essentially urinated on flag and country for eight years? If not then the same things you have been spouting in this thread applies to you as well.

 

Well said and an accurate statement. I hope that some readers are able to revise their points of view to understand and apply it.

 

Post of the year!!! Quite, quite good and dead on accurate

 

What racial equality? Everyone is equal under the law. Anyone discovering an injustice in that regard can find many different ways to redress the situation. What hawkers of this racial inequality mantra really mean is that they want minority groups to be above the law.

 

But, NOT for something like not standing for the Anthem.

A person would have to be dreaming (and totally disengaged from reality) to think that not standing for the Anthem could trigger that provision.

You should probably stay away from the sort of things that the RW Fever Swamp contaminates your social media with.

Coming here and parroting that RW BS just makes you look foolish.

Just some friendly advice.

 

AFAICT the only thing the Constitution says about property is that it cannot be taken except through the due process of law.

 

Not so. The body of the constitution abolishes feudal ownership of the land claimed by common people. The third protects home ownership. The 4th protects private property "Their persons, houses, papers, effects." The 9th contains the enumeration and reservation clauses which protect property rights. The 13th protects property rights of citizens.

 

Yet with all of the above we still have no ownership of private property in this country.
We have ownership of "rented" property. The rent property owners are forced to pay the Gov't in the form of property tax.

 

OK you start the thread and we will participate.

 

Liberals suffering with severe TDS that they caught on Nov 8 to the present (sexually and otherwise from each other) make everything about Trump, everyday.

 

Depends on the fine. I'll bet they will choose to not play for free.
You?

 

Obama was a man who i very much disagreed with politically and did not represent my political party. That's it.

trump is a spoiled brat child who disrespected my country severely and repeatedly, not the least of which by doing a terrible terrible job at his job. Objectively, it's not even a close comparison.

By "essentially urinated on flag and country" you mean disagreed with your sophomoric ideas about how things work. Whereas trump gave the finger to the country, the armed forces, and pretty much everything you can think of that represents our country and conservative ideals.

 

Well, he can't possibly have the slightest respect for the country. He certainly likes it less than russia.

 

He has attacked the foundations of liberty from day 1. You all just don't have any concept of the importance of the Constitution. Trump is by every definition, an enemy of the Constitution.

 

And 40% of Americans don't either. They have made the symbols of liberty more important than liberty itself.

I haven't been able to tolerate looking at a flag since trump got elected. It literally makes me feel ill.

 

Oh baloney; leftists are still allowed to burn all the U.S. flags they desire and may spit on any replicas of the U.S. Constitution that they purchase. So our nation-hating leftists still have got all the very same rights that they vigorously enjoyed under the rule of their Lord God Barack Obama.

 

Lol, I'm not sure if you are the most gullible, optimistic, fundamentalist, dumb, or polyannaish person I have ever talked to. You are mind blowingly bad at judging character, lol, but I can't really decide what superposition of jealousy, respect and pity I should have for you.

He started with a massive head start, and really without tax returns we don't really know what really is and isn't his accomplishment. I can't imagine someone that stupid accomplishing anything other than scams. Now, I realize this may seem a little circular, like I'm saying "He is incompetent because he is unsuccessful, and we know he is unsuccessful because he is incompetent."

However, he doesn't want us to see his tax returns, and he's possibly the most immodest person to have ever lived (he's in the running). So, it seems that it has to be unflattering.

Also, he is stupid. There is overwhelming evidence of that. And, he doesn't understand how anything really works. Also, mountains of evidence for that. He is wildly unsuccessful running even his administration let alone the country. Everything about him is chaos. So how can he be a successful business man? It's sort of my rosie odonnel theory. She could be the worlds greatest ultra-marathon runner. It's not impossible, but it seems incredibly difficult to imagine.

I would also like to point out that I have seen interviews from say 20 years ago. While he wasn't what you would call intelligent in them, he was able to speak English, which means to me that he has severely declined cognitively since then. So, possibly he was a little more savvy back in the day, but mental decline has taken it's toll on him.

 

He's stupid. He can't keep his office together. He won't work with democrats and republicans can't work with him. He undermines everyone that works for him. He has been severely disrespectful towards the country and cavalier about his duty towards her. He has made us a laughing stock of the world and history. These are all objective facts. The only things for him are that he pisses off people that people don't like.

 

I think you had better go take that tbi test again. I never said any of that.

What I will say is that if you support trump, you don't care about insults to America.

Also, the reason I'm not a troll is because I'm right.

Dumpy t is bad for America. Supporting him is bad for America. "He" makes us weaker.

"The military" is not an entity and doesn't support anyone. You may accurately say that the majority of members of the military support trump. Anybody, military or not who says they are offended by the nfl, but not trump is lying. And they are exploiting the true sacrifice of real Americans.

 

Not to get all godwin here, but what is your opinion of hitler?