US defence boss: We could refuse a nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

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  1. sawyer

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    But Congress has to declare war so I have to wonder if a first strike without Congress is going around the Constitution. Having said that I don't think a first strike would ever get through Congress and as it was debated it would be leaked to whoever we were going to attack which would probably let them do the first strike instead so I'm not sure Congress can realistically be involved.
     
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    By law the president csn conduct military operations under thr war powers act:

    “The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. “

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
     
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    What underground launch systems? The MOP can kill any missile silo in existence.
     
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    So the President has fiat power to decide what is an isn’t murder? Where is that in the Constitution?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So who exactly makes the arbitrary decision that the POTUS is 'crazy'? By the way, I don't think the incumbent is any more incompetent or deranged than plenty of others I can remember. It seems like the American electorate will vote for anyone who's a multi-millionaire with the gift of the gab, and competency or otherwise comes way down the list of qualifications.
     
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    Who should be removed from command, DJT or the general?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So much for 'the democratic process' then - elect a president, then incapacitate him because he made what might seem to be an unpopular, or to be an incorrect decision? Yeah, I can see that working!
     
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    I think NK is the least of our/your problems. Think 'Islamic State et al'? Either way, from what I'm picking up here there would need to be such a prolonged Constitutional imbroglio to ascertain who can or cannot give the order to retaliate that the potential enemy could simply waltz in and take over unnoticed? :eekeyes:
     
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    Yes, there are such laws.

    Attacking a sovereign nation is a violation of the Law of the Land.

    Obeying an unlawful order to launch a nuclear first strike in a crime.

    The BLOTUS does not not have the power to start a nuclear WW3.
     
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    When it comes to nstional defense yes he does
     
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    Your BLOTUS does not have the authority to issue an unlawful order.

    Your BLOTUS does NOT have the authority to declare war either.
     
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    Well they would likely authorize the deployment and potential use of nuclear weapons on a first strike condition, prior to them being considered, it would not leak there is going to be an attack and leave the option on the table with other options. Then the president would likely need his security council to back such a use that can be done in private.
     
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    The general
     
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    I sure as hell hope he refuses such an order. trump does not give a **** if he blows up the planet over his ego and some tweets, I want somebody else in the room who does. if he saves the planet or just half a continent, I will throw confetti at his parade down time square.

    The man has a mental problem and a mood disorder.
     
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    Can you back this up with something factual? Or is the basis for.you decision your ability to call use catchy names?
     
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    To call a presidential order for a nuclear strike illegal, you need to declare the President disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office. Trump is unlikely to order a first-strike nuclear attack without a Congressional declaration of war and he is only threatening North Korea with talks of military options available to him, which is a good way to deal with North Korea or other rogue regimes.
     
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    He means the imaginary Law of Lib La La Land
     
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    Unpopular or incorrect they would do without question, insane they would hesitate, (I hope, you seem to be saying you'd want the Army to go right ahead and destroy all life, it's the 'Murican Way)
    The Armed Forces is really in charge anyway and they always have been. They're the ones who actually HAVE the bombs, after all.
     
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    You do realize that it's usually democrats that get us into wars right? WW1, WW2, Vietnam are all democrats. Korea, Iraq and Asscrackistan would all fall under the GOP but those were far from a real war.
     
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    True, but rather like when one of the mice suddenly came up with the plan to tie a bell around the cat's neck to warn them it was in the vicinity. They all thought it was a brilliant idea until one of them asked, 'But which one of us is going to do it?'? I don't think there were any volunteers! :mrgreen:
     
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    Then I'm indeed a typical American in thought as well as in fact. We are "a teeming nation of nations" as the saying goes, complex and complicated we do not give ourselves up to understanding easily.

    Are you truly desirous of the state of affairs that a manifestly insane individual could destroy all life? I've heard of "Better Dead than Red" but you seem to be saying "Better Dead than Alive"
     
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    Korea started under democrat harry truman

    But it was a just war

    But I agree about the rest
     
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    I reject the liberal anti trump smear that he is insane

    That believe is stupidity at its most extream
     
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    Point well taken
     
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    BTW: I dont see how liberals who hate America so much and always think the worst about America can actually be Americans
     

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