Charles Manson is rotting in hell

Can we agree that sending non-believers, especially ethical ones, is barbarism/savagery at its worst?

 

I don't put much stock in the Bible. It was written by man..for man. Who had agendas back then. It's been transcribed so many times, no telling what was warped. Ever play that game where 10 people stand in a line and whisper one sentence started by the first in line and whisper it to the next, then the next, to the next? By the time the last person is whispered to, it is a completely different sentence. That's what happened with the bible. Also, the church that put it all together into one tome decided which gospel to insert..and which to leave out. Agendas in action.
So..I can't agree or disagree with you. All I can do is go my own path. I am what I fondly call an pagan christian. On my path, I drag Jesus along with me. Sometimes I'm pretty sure He sighs during one of my quests, but He still comes along with me. And sometimes, He drags me on one of his. I sigh and go along too.

 

You sound like a Christian.

 

I thought Dawkins explained it to you in his writings. So, you haven't read the Bible but you know it's wrong and you haven't read Dawkins but you know he's right.....got it.

 

So where do you get your info about Jesus, if not from the Bible? The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, for example? TIGT says that, for example, when Jesus was young that he KILLED MULTIPLE PEOPLE.....still want to "drag Jesus along with you" if he's a multiple-murderer? Is your self-esteem so low that you NEED to believe in a multiple-murderer?

 

We take responsibility for our own souls...nothing we can do about the souls of others except to share the good news. Secular Humanism is a religion all to itself.

 

I wish life was that simple. I wish I could just believe in a magic zombie and magically "live forever, up in paradise" - sounds nice, but of course too good to be true.

 

ok

 

Faith. And from my heart. And my mind. Jesus has shown Himself to me in many ways. None of which I care to share.
I was willing to just chat with you but now I see you are big time atheist and want to pound me into your way of thinking with asinine assumptions of things you yourself cannot prove. Which means your own self esteem is lacking. Therefore..thanks for the brief chat, but...I will go visit with a tree now.

 

Can you give me the title of his best atheism book so I can challenge his material?

 

Do you love people as much as Modern Secular Humanists do? In other words if you were in Jesus' shoes, would you let ethical non-believers into "heaven" and avoid "hell", like I of course would? Would you, yabber? If not, then you might want to check into a more loving belief system - Modern Secular Humanism.

 

We are accountable to our civil laws.

 

Alcohol, drugs, mental disorder, etc........

 

Gee. Thanks.

Bye.

 

It's all in the Bible if you'd read it.

 

"The God Delusion" is his most celebrated, and will directly challenge your illogical beliefs in "god". You'll want to leave "god" after reading it, arguably. You'll grow as a person by doing that. You'll be able to answer "yes" to questions like this, which most Christians lack the moral fortitude to answer "yes" to: "if Gandhi was sent to hell by god/Jesus, then would you leave god/Jesus for being unfair?"

I'd of course leave god/Jesus if Gandhi was sent to "hell" by him, because Modern Secular Humanists have a better sense of fairness than Christians do, obviously.

 

Then TELL us how he revealed himself to you, don't just tease us.

 

Like I said...its none of your business what my path is or what happens on it.

Now..on ignore you go. I don't waste time with Bible Thumpers or Bible Burners.

 

I'll take that as basically a "no, if I was in Jesus' shoes I would NOT let ethical non-believers into "heaven" and avoid "hell", because I'm not as loving as Modern Secular Humanists are - so maybe I should consider changing my beliefs to a more loving/caring belief system."

 

A cure for cancer is something you can hold in your hand and give to another. Faith isn't something you can hold in your hand. You keep on condemning Jesus, but did HE say all those things you are opposed to, or someone else? You say you care about science, do you consider all the research into such things as near death experiences, reincarnation, and paranormal research to be frauds?

 

I can defend my beliefs, but you obviously can't. The reason is because your beliefs, if they involve "Jesus", are on very very shaky ground - you don't even have a specific text to point to to justify your beliefs - at least traditional Christians can do that, but you can't. Sorry to sound so harsh, but I personally think you're delusional in this area - no offense, just calling it like I see it. But I could be proven wrong some day.

 

We ALL fall short of Holiness. There is no such thing as "goodness" when it comes to mankind. You may think you are good....but I'll bet you miss the target. If you want to hit the target, try swimming from LA to Hawaii. See how close you come. It is easy....just recognize you can't do it on your own. It is a free gift. That's what Christmas is all about, Of course there are those that desire to be separated from God. They have that choice. Modern Secular Humanism is that choice. I don't find it very "loving".

 

You are free to believe in Modern Secular Humanism if that's what you want, but again........If you're right you and I end up in the same place. If I'm right we will end up in vastly different places, I like my odds better than yours.

 

A near-death experience, even if "true", would not mean that a magic zombie who will magically give you eternal life up in a magic bigoted kingdom is actually real.

 

You wouldn't let them in - you failed this ethical test.