Roy Moore stands with homophobic supporters

The Christian backer and florist are in danger of losing their business because of homosexuals

 

I have a very good understanding of what's happened to the generations subjected to the western 1960's social experiment. If you say you don't, then you're either living in a cave or lying.

Parents have no business commenting on the future adult/married sex lives of their children. And adults talking to children about sex makes me shudder.

This oblivion to what is demonstrably adult self-interest in the insistence on dragging kids into adulthood early, is bizarre.

 

Sex education doesn't start OR end at 14. And, you have a highly limited concept of subject matter.

Shaming does NOT solve anything.

Sex education is about kids NOT having sex in high school. It's also about personal safety. And, since "just say no" is a total failure, teens need to understand prophylaxis, health concerns, etc.

What model? You have already stated that parents shouldn't be involved. In that case, the models end up being others at school.

Also, you have the order of events backwards. Faced with sex and drugs problems as well as the disengagement of parents, it became more important for schools to work on this problem - and, not as the only approach. The "just say no" and abstinence training have both been tried and they failed spectacularly.[/QUOTE]

Abstinence will only 'fail' if not supported by family and social circle. It's not a school's job (nor can they hope to do so) to teach it. By the time kids get to high school, the die is cast.

Shaming is a very important tool of social cohesion. It's what prevents us from pleasing ourselves like beasts. Shame is only a 'bad thing' in Disneyland.

Why in hell does a teenager need to know about 'health concerns'? What health concerns? If you are suggesting that there is some sort of disease risk, then you're assuming that teenagers will not only have sex, but have sex with people they don't even know well enough to know if they're diseased. Are you genuinely unable to see the problem with that attitude and assumption? If it's come to that, you've failed miserably as a parent. You may as well let them play on the highway, telling yourself you've done your job because you first told them that trucks can kill.

When you say I have it in reverse, I must disagree. What came first, was the social experiment ('free love' and lax parenting). Our response should have been to correct THOSE things, not patch up holes with misguided ideas about 'information' - which even in the best case scenario did little to nothing, and at worst, compounded the problems via 'collusion'.

Edited to add: parental modelling isn't 'telling kids what to do or not to do', it's living the example you want to set. why do I have to explain this?

 

Shaming does not work on heddonist liberal democrats who have no shame

 

Are they the ones who are going to vote for Roy Moore even if they think he did diddle a 14 year old because: tax bill?

No wait!

 

So you aren't losing a business as you claimed.
Breaking laws will always be a danger to the law breakers.

 

No he means anyone past the 5th grade.

 

I dont know what happened 40 years ago and neither do you

 

By the 5th grade they are already fair game for homosexuals

 

perhaps not. my biggest beef with this horror of 'shame' is the infantile nature of it. it's like little kids saying that 'unfair' things are unfair. as though no one should ever have to be disappointed, or feel remorse, or any negative thing whatsoever.

 

I didnt make that claim

 

Which is nothing like what we're talking about, obviously.

Well gosharootie, I wonder if the presence of illegal aliens could have anything to do with that.

We're talking about a segment of the population they have no business policing, because that segment doesn't belong here.

More accurately, you're hoping to twist definitions to suit your agenda.

Ain't a dime's worth of difference, obviously.

Were that the case, the sanctuary designation would be moot.

No, it compromises the goals of domestic enemies of this country who care about nothing more than their own political power.

They had damn well better be allies of American citizens, whose best interets are undermined by the presence of illegal aliens.

The only cooperation we need from illegal aliens is to get the hell outa here.

 

Clearly, CLEARLY, Jesus hates gays, or of course in 2000 years he'd have come down and said "look, we got it wrong, the Bible is wrong when it says gays don't get into heaven, we are now letting them into heaven and avoiding hell - please forgive us."

I'd forgive Jesus, because I'm more forgiving than he is, obviously. I love gays, Jesus hates gays. He's morally inferior to me (and you if you support gay rights), so why should I worship this loser.

 

Thank goodness we are not under the laws of the BIBLE/QURAN!! Those barbaric publications say to kill gays.

 

Yes, being gay is ILLEGAL in many Muslim nations - gets you thrown in jail, no less.
Seeing how Jesus ("Isa" in Islam) is the messiah in Islam as well as Christianity, you'd THINK that Jesus would have set the Muslims straight on this (oops, bad choice of words) issue of killing gays. But because his Bible also says to kill gays, it appears that Jesus is clearly on board with the homophobia. Jesus the hater.

 

Ok.
You'r just making stuff up then.

 

Several elected Alabama officials have said they are going to vote for Moore even though they suspect the girls are telling the truth about what happened 40 years ago. This has absolutely zip to do with me. They are hypocrites straight down the line. If this was a liberal politician and a 14 year old boy they'd be screaming from the rooftops, believe me.

 

Yet, you called for parents NOT to be involved.

There is nothing good about ostracizing or shaming.

When something happens that we don't want to have happened, we need to work on ways to help that person.

Yes. Teens WILL have sex. There is NO doubt about that. They won't ALL have sex. We may manage to keep it less frequent. But, suggesting that teens won't have sex is just plain grossly irresponsible as a foundation for making decisions on sex education.

Nonsense. There has been sex outside of marriage throughout human history. And, that has included those who are married, those who are teens, and, well, everybody not covered by that.

I agree that parents living upright lives is ideal and helps. But, not all parents do that. And, there are LOGS of teens who do not spend their teen years attempting to be just like their parents.

If you doubt that, you have been miraculously disconnected from reality.

 

I don't actually care whether it works.

It is not a satisfactory punishment. And, that is ALL that it is.

 

Our undocumented population is not divided into small areas our police can ignore.

And, criminals don't necessarily limit their crime to the immediate area of where they live.

 

so just because you disagree with them that gives you the right to call them names rather than discussing the issue with them?

 

It is an abnormal fear of all snakes rattlesnakes included.

 

Shame isn't the punishment! Shame is the device which discourages things that would otherwise be punished.

 

No, it is purely punishment.

There is NO other element of it.

 

1) I support the avoidance of talking about sex with children. modelling is not talking about something, it's living the damned thing.

2) Yes, in Disneyland, shame is unfair and icky. In the real world, it's an important device for maintaining social harmony and safety.

3) Of course, but we don't live as though teen sex and teen problems are inevitable. IF, in the unlikely event something of that nature happens to a teenager, we address it when and if. Preempting is always in the parents' interests. It's an abdication from the hard work of good modelling.

4) I'm sorry for you if literally cannot imagine teens choosing not to have sex until adulthood. It seems you've had very little exposure to alternative ideas and cultures. It's quite common in many places and peoples.

5) Yes, some people have sex outside of marriage (losers, obviously), but what on earth does that have to do with the great number of people who don't? You seem to be suggesting that it's some sort of involuntary thing, that we can't avoid.

6) That's the point. Parents are where the buck stops. Anyone who enters parenthood without first considering "before I start shaping a life, I'd better make damned sure I research all the options, to see who and what gets the best results" is an idiot, and should stick to goldfish. And by 'best results', I mean producing self-respecting, kind, clean-living, well educated and productive young adults. If you have a different measure of successful parenting, I'd be happy to hear it.

7) Again, you need to get out more, or travel, or something. There are MANY kids in the world who admire their parents, and endeavour to be just like them. Your belief that most kids want to be nothing like their parents, is residual to your limited exposure (to dysfunctional western parenting and teenagers).