Is it atheist to hate god?

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  1. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Why? If there is a set of logic which says God is good, and at the same time God is bad (either derived from the same logic, or from reality) then that set of logic is incorrect. Whether humans are good or evil have nothing to do with that argument.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it does have to do with that argument. Saying "God is evil" when using the moral standard applied to humans is misleading. One must apply standards correctly in order to reach a conclusion.
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Seems to me then that benevolence isn't really a word I would want to use. I am benevolent towards pets and not so much towards bugs, I do not wish bugs well when I kill them.
     
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    Yet those like you claim that humans are created in gods image while explaining his actions in human terms. Try again, extremely illogical and untruthful.
     
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    People killing in the name of god while being gods creation and his having prior knowledge of their actions suggests more made up craps about this god.

    An evil being if ever there was one.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Bug genocide! But humans in general eat meat from animals that were murdered just for that purpose. That is evil.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    How else can someone understand something not in human terms? Atheists use a false comparison to try and prove a point but it is misleading.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it's not. A true atheist wouldn't blame a power they don't believe exist, but an immature person would certainly do so.
     
  9. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would agree with "atheists are [most often] the ones who believe in free will and use it more than those who believe in gods and silly rules made up by religious authorities......"

    Theres a growing trend in protestantism to abandon the various established authoritative doctrines of 'The Church' (in its various forms) and explore a personal relationship with God on an individual level, precisely because they agree as I do with your notion that the 'rules made up by religious authorities' are indeed 'silly' (among other things). It would be dishonest to discount at least some 'atheist' influence contributing to this trend.

    It was never my intent to insinuate that all, or even most, atheists were dishonestly pushing an alternate theist agenda (which is why I specified 'some'... fsr theres a large group of folks in here who regularly disregard words like 'some, few, many' and just presume they are being targetted by w/e they find disagreeable...), but rather to point out this agenda for any whom might be unaware, OR perhaps even gain insight into it from others who had experience with it.
     
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    I see you went to the next step of using emoticons and mocking. It's like debating with a 5 year old. I say something and you say no that's what you do. Even if I did my behavior has nothing to do with yours. And I've repeatedly told you I wasn't a theist. Being educated about something doesn't necessarily reflect your own views and I've told you that. Yet you keep repeating that as if you can make it fact if you say it enough. I haven't judged anyone except some of your behavior because you keep attacking me and you're so boorish. Same ole Saul Alinsky tactics. If I were Muslim and repeating Christian theology, would you treat me the same? I doubt it. Yet you label me, incorrectly, as a theist and feel free to attack me since it is PC for the left to attack anything Christian. How foolish of me to think you'd check my facts and debate me based on them. It's too easy for you to remain ignorant and PC then attack anyone who you wish.

    Everything I've said is a part of Christian theology whether you or I believe it or not. Don't take my word but study it yourself. It's not my intention to convert anyone. Not my job nor do I care. I have my own beliefs to tussle with. What exactly have I said that is not reflective of what Christians believe? Not your version but their's.

    If you must belittle everyone who has an opinion different from yours then find someone else and put me on ignore. You're annoying.
     
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    there are better God's out there, ones that do not go by the name "Jealous"

    we can only Judge the Christian God by the things the OT and NT says he is supposed to have done
     
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    basically what your saying is by human standards God is not moral... so we do not want to use that standard?
     
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    No, that is how this precious god of yours allegedly set things up to operate. You are just evil for trying to change the way this god of yours works.
     
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    So now I'm a fool. Is that because while doubting the existence of God I still understand the Christians' theology? All I see from you and some others is emotional reasoning, bullying, and now mind reading. The first and last are cognitive distortions which are a form of illogical and self defeating thinking and behaviors. Most of you have no idea what Christian theology is but you are the first to ridicule anyone who espouses it even if they don't necessarily buy it all either. Now you're insulting and ridiculing someone who has doubts but understands the religion. All I see is people who don't have the knowledge to debate the subject but feel free to bully anyone they even think don't hold whatever beliefs they seem unable to express.

    The fact some of you cannot respect the thoughts and beliefs of others goes a long way in exposing your fragile ego. You're nothing more than annoying but I do want to retort to your childish and boorish behavior.
     
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    Actually it is a hint to not even try to understand this god of yours or its motivations. The real reason that those like you continue to assign human motivations to what you claim is a higher life form. Talk about "misleading" and false, you take the prize for that.
     
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    The fact that ;you and others refuse to accept that not everyone believes/agrees with you is what makes you a fool. If you had any personal honesty you would acknowledge this instead of flailing around looking for excuses.

    BTW, your being a fool did not just start now, it has been evident for quite some time.
     
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    Free will is a b!tch isn’t it.
     
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    Nah, I do not hold one species to the same morality as another. That is flat out lying.
     
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    When angels kill on God's command are they really evil angels or is God evil for having them do his killing for him?
     
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    They are using evidence to challenge your beliefs. If there was a god, how can you say he is good? If the evidence at hand is counter to the belief, then it is reasonable to conclude that the belief is likely false.

    Of course this all occurs because many atheists don't understand the rationalization that suffering is good - just putting pennies in your God Piggy Bank.
     
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    Ah, the might makes right argument again.
     
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    Describing yourself again?
     
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    Yet you claim that we all came from this gawd of yours, thus making us all the same species so according to you we should all have the same morality. Yet we don't, so who is lying? YOU.
     
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    Then maybe you should've used a title that was worded better than "" Is it atheist to hate god?"".
     

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