Graphic video shows Daniel Shaver sobbing and begging officer for his life before 2016 shooting

Question is, was it reasonable to assume that the guy had a gun? Just not obeying instructions, is no reason to kill someone, if the situation was such that he would have had to have been David Copperfield to produce a gun in this situation. Cops are not robots, and can think, and evaluate. Telling a cop that he can kill someone for not obeying instructions is not the right way to go. There should be a clear and present threat to the cop if the guy does not obey. Here? Not so sure this is the case, are you? Any time a cop shoots an unarmed man, he should be charged with murder. Just like you or I would be.

 

Of course ignorant people think that unarmed suspects can't hurt the police---totally false:


Also a suspect with a knife can quickly attack and kill from far away even if shot.

 

This so-called law enforcement officer got away with murder. Perhaps a close relative of this unfortunate victim will have a discussion with this scumbag ex-cop somewhere down the line.

 

To me this was an execution under color of law, plain and simple. The macho with a badge cop was looking for the flimsiest excuse to murder that man and told him so. Why was an AK-15 pointed at him and not a taser? Why wasn't the man ordered to just lay flat with hands outstretched so he could simply be handcuffed? Why was he shot 5 times? No, instead he was ordered to perform nearly physically impossible tasks (i.e. crawl with his legs crossed while keeping his hands in front of him).

 

Outright murder by a sadist. No other way to see it.

 

A stupid person under the influence of booze or drugs, resisting arrest will get no sympathy from me.

The speed that a perp can draw a gun from his waist and fire can be faster than most cops can react to.
Look how fast a thug can draw on a cop:

 

No sympathy? You would make an excellent cop. I had two people in my family who were cops, one an alabama state trooper. He would have never killed this guy, but they were trained differently way back then. Especially when it came to people who were drinking. For they do not always follow instructions perfectly. And we used to know this. Now? Obviously not.

The cop over reacted, and does not have what it takes to protect and serve the public. The cop was on a hair trigger, which is obvious. He needs to be cooking hamburgers some place so he isn't a threat to citizens.

Why didn't the cop just walk over, while the guy was on the ground and handcuff him. He would have seen the guy was unarmed. If in approaching, the guy made a suspect move, shoot him then. But if this is how they are trained, the training is wrong, and only gives more opportunity for a cop to put a notch on his gun.

 

1. People lie
2. Can’t just assume he is unarmed
3. Things turn bad a lot quicker than people realize
4. Your job isn’t interacting with violent criminals

 

No, I do not interact with them, but two in my family did. And when they have seen so much being wrong with the ways current training insures dead citizens, and given the changes in our police, of course their opinions have value, or should. This man should have never been shot and killed. Not in regards to what he did, and it could have been avoided. This guy would not have been shot and killed a few decades ago. The guy was on the ground, but the cop was only concerned with getting him to follow instructions, and the guy was on booze too. This should figure into how a citizen is treated, and it should also be taken into context when ordering a guy to do things. Why was he not approached by the cop and handcuffed? Not like he was standing up. Making the dude jump through loops while drunk when the could have been restrained, is nonsense. But it does create more deaths of unarmed citizens.

When I grew up, we were taught to respect cops and not to fear them. But today? Citizens have every reason to fear the police. And if they do not, they are crazy. I had an interaction with a cop in the 1980s, which today would have perhaps resulted in my own death. If this cop had stopped me, instead of the one that did, I more than likely would be dead today. And it involved me putting on the shoes I had taken off, once I pulled off the road. I had bought a classic car, with headers, and when driving it home the headers had heated up the floor board, and made my feet hot. So I slipped out of my shoes. But it is illegal here to drive barefoot and so I was putting them back on when he got out of his car to approach me. If he had reacted from the current training, I would have had his gun unloaded on me. I have no doubt of that. Before I could have shoved both hands out of my window so he could see them for his own safety. You know it, and I know it.

 

Remember, if you are a completely untrained civilian, you are expected to remain calm and rational while multiple armed individuals point guns at you, but if you are a trained professional police officer you can kill someone with impunity if they make you even slightly nervous.

 

I don't think anyone will be taking a knee for him.

 

This is what people were afraid of when LA created the first SWAT team. Training police in military tactics is different than police tactics. The police treat the people as possible suspects to be apprehended, the military think of them as threats that have to be neutralized.

 

The officer was found not guilty in a court of law

 

It should be becoming obvious to even the most brain dead of the Ovine Herd.
That many of the stupid servile people we call Police, are being vetted & trained
.....to act upon any perceived infraction as it it were a deadly threat and to enforce
...................................................................a brutal, top down, tyrannical Police State.

Already you have lost the right of Habeas Corpus, and are subject to Warrent-less
searches in more and more of the USA - Is this what you forefathers fought & died
for In "The Land Of The Free & The Home Of The Brave" ?

At any one time in Soviet Russia, there were no more than two million people
enrolled in prison system know as the Gulag Archipelago.

Presently there are two point three million enrolled in the Prison Industrial Complex
in the good ole USofA. - And though presently things might not be quite as bad
as they were in the Gulag, they are fast deteriorating as Parasitic Corporations who
have found a way to to suck the Government teat to maximize profits & make Crime Pay

The level of the Militarization of the Police should raise a warning to even the most
........................................................................................................................Complacent

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When your puppet-masters decide to use all the Laws - NOW IN PLACE
--- Good Luck to to all You little lambs !



U.S. Confirms Warrant-less Searches of Americans
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...us-confirms-warrantless-searches-nsa/7176749/

The Suspension of Habeas Corpus in America
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-suspension-of-habeas-corpus-in-america/5311701

Disturbing Trend of Police Wanting Drones for Routine Infractions
https://www.activistpost.com/2017/12/disturbing-trend-police-wanting-drones-routine-infractions.html

US Prison Industrial Complex Versus the Stalinist Gulag
http://seansrussiablog.org/2013/05/11/us-prison-industrial-complex-versus-the-stalinist-gulag/



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Oh, it is self evident that our civilian police force has been turned into a military type of policing. All the way from the tools, the garb, to the tactics used on the public. It is justified by saying the cops face grave dangers, from criminals, but they always faced such dangers and this is just an excuse to defend the militarization of our police, making us look like a police state, even as we have turned into a post 1984 america, given our rights robbing National Security State. All done in the so called interests of protecting americans, of course. But Ben Franklin was right when he said what he did about rights and security. Some things never change, and Franklin understood what could happen, given enough time.

I am alarmed by what our police have been allowed to turn into over the years. And whereas our citizens used to never fear our police, many today do, given what has happened to our police forces. When you feel like you are in Iraq, by the way the cops treat you, and you are old enough to remember what a police stop used to be, yes, there is a problem. And it does not help when conservatives will knee jerk into defending these tactics, given that being a con used to mean you wanted to conserve something that was better than what you changed into. They do not want to conserve traditional policing, and they seem to love a militarized police force, which creates friction between citizens and those who are the police. I noticed towns across the south took off what was written on their cars for much of my life. To protect and and serve is no longer there. I guess someone did not like the "to serve part". It stinks of being a pubic servant, instead of what the police woujld rather be in these modern times. And to protect? Well, do not expect protection from being shot these day, and in the case of the OP shot 5 times really fast to insure you killed the guy. That man who was killed was under the influence of booze and yet this didn't matter to the cop at all. He never took that into consideration, when it came to following his orders. And he should have. For it cost an innocent man his life, and I saw nothing in the video which would have told me the guy had a gun and was just waiting for a chance to use it. Nothing in that video showed that, and the rings the cop was making the guy jump through was absurd, when he could have cuffed the man early on. Hell, you can watch old reruns of COPS and see that. In fact, I never saw a cop act as this one did, in getting a man safely restrained. He seemed more intent of seeing how many loops he could get the man to jump through, before he found a reason to fill him full of lead. Good thing I was not on that jury. He would not have walked so he kill another citizen who he thought should jump through his loops, before he decided to restrain him. I think he enjoyed exercising power over the man, and that is why he didn't walk over and restrain the man in cuffs, instead of making him act like an obedient dog.

 

This was a craven murder of an innocent man committed by a uniformed psychopath. Just another day in POLICE STATE USA.

 

Except he didn't have a gun. They killed an innocent man who posed no danger to them.

 

No, the demand is the same demand that was made on me while I was deployed to Iraq: Make POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION before using deadly force.

This needs to be emphasized again and again: You are advocating for looser rules of engagement on police in America than Marine infantry were expected to abide by in an actual warzone.

Think about that for a second.

 

You have no sympathy for an innocent man who was needlessly killed by agents of the state? My God... what is this world coming to?

 

He caused his own death. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

I was about to ask you the same question.

Did you fail to notice the confusing and contradictory nature of the commands being issued? Did you fail to notice the total lack of calmness in the officer's disposition and tone? I faced far more dangerous situations in Iraq on a daily basis and not once did I sound or act like that unhinged coward. My commands were always clear, calm, and confident, and I NEVER pointed my weapon at anyone I did not intend to shoot, EVEN if they had a firearm in their hands, which was also a common occurrence in Iraq.

So to answer your question: I expect American police to only use deadly force when faced with an actual threat to their life or the life of others, which is exactly what I was expected to do inside an actual warzone. This is done by obtaining POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION of (a) a weapon and (b) deadly intent. The officer who fired had NEITHER of those things, ergo he is a murderous coward.

 

Are you lying or just ignorant? He did not pull anything. His hand merely moved towards his back. That is not a hostile act, nor does it demonstrate hostile intent. And given the extreme stress he was being putting under by police who repeatedly threatened to kill him while issuing confusing and contradictory commands, it is understandable that he failed to follow their instructions perfectly. It is absolutely INSANE that anyone thinks this was justified.

 

Have you ever had six police officers pointing their guns at you, screaming at you, threatening to kill you, and issuing you confusing commands? Do you actually expect a normal human being to remain perfectly calm and collected under such conditions?

 

Actually, the psycho who shot him five times based on nothing but cowardice caused his death.

 

I suppose that as a teacher, I should be able to shoot any kid who starts mouthing off and reaches for his cellphone.