Graphic video shows Daniel Shaver sobbing and begging officer for his life before 2016 shooting

There is NOTHING in his hand. You're either lying or extremely confused.

 

Cop apologists don't care about facts, evidence, logic, or justice. They just care about justifying the abusive police state and its thuggish, rogue agents.

 

If you don't want to deal with the risks inherent to being a police officer, then get a different job. Problem solved.

Because Americans have every right to expect police officers who are calm, confident, and collected in stressful situations. Being on edge because you're full of fear and anxiety is an indication of someone who is poorly trained and has no business whatsoever being in a position of authority over other individuals.

 

For crissake, if "stupidity" was a death sentence, how many Trumpites would be alive today?

 

My viewpoint is expanded in my earlier Post #24.... You are welcome to disagree. In short, I don't blame any policeman for not wanting to be the victim of 'another senseless tragedy' involving an officer's death, and which leaves behind HIS widow and HIS children. I would back this policeman up 100%.

I don't know what your role was in the military in Iraq, and it's none of my business. I can't know exactly what this officer was faced with before and during this unfortunate incident, and that, too, is none of my business. He was, in essence, found not guilty of doing anything other than his job. That's good enough for me....

 

A civil suit might have a different outcome. Will the family sue the police department?

 

They shouldn't even be allowed to make assumptions when using deadly force. It should be based on positive identification of a weapon and reasonable certainty of a hostile intent, which is EXACTLY the same standard that Marine infantry were expected to obey in an actual warzone. I routinely interacted with Iraqi men who were openly carrying pistols, automatic rifles, and even light machine guns. Not once did I point my rifle at them, shout at them, threaten to kill them, or lose my cool. Everything I did and said was calm and collected because I was confident in my ability to take control of the situation if the need arose. These officers are CLEARLY lacking in confidence, full of fear, and primed to overreact at even the slightest provocation. I would NEVER trust ANY of these officers with me on the streets of Iraq. They are totally incompetent and probably psychotic to some degree.

 

Your subjective opinion of this officer's training, demeanor, confidence, and degree of calmness is your right to express, but you weren't there. You didn't know what led up to this, or what the overall situation was, but you're perfectly willing to condemn him?

 

Who forced these guys to become police officers? Who told them they had to subject themselves to the risks of police work? Let me guess? Nobody?

So then why are you using the INHERENT risks of policing as an excuse for the INCORRECT use of deadly force against an innocent civilian who posed no danger to the police?

 

Literally ANYONE and EVERYONE has the potential to quickly pull out a gun and shoot a cop. So does that mean police officers can just shoot anyone who makes any kind of move that deviates from the commands of a police officer? Can a police officer just walk up to someone on the street, say stop, and if the person doesn't immediately comply, shoot them? What, if any, OBJECTIVE standards do you believe there should be prior to using deadly force? Or do you believe cops can just use their own subjective judgment and shoot pretty much whoever they want?

 

The commands were quite simple actually and it was only one guy giving them. I do understand your need to make the story more complicated though since you need something to justify your hate towards law enforcement.

 

Boo hoo.

Go work at McDonald's if you cannot handle the risks and the pressure of operating in a stressful situation. Nobody forced these guys to become police officers. They made the CHOICE to SERVE their community and that means they must be willing to accept a certain level of risk to themselves.

 

Obviously a result of the stupidity that pervades American society. Hopefully, younger generations will put an end to this insanity.

 

Or in other words, people should be allowed to draw on a cop first and shoot before they are allowed to react.

What a ridiculous post.

 

So you want to get rid of all cops. Im sure the world would be a much better place for law abiding citizens.

 

I was an infantryman conducting counter-insurgency operations in the Sunni Triangle, one of the most dangerous places on earth at the time. I spent years receiving advanced training in weapons handling, detainee management, close-quarters battle, and urban warfare, among other things. You are advocating for putting LESS restrictions on American police than were placed on Marine infantry in Iraq.

 

My subjective opinion is based on years of advanced training and a seven month deployment to a warzone. Yes, I am perfectly wiling to condemn this murderous coward.

 

No, the commands were confusing and given in a highly stressful situation. Acting like a normal person should be able to process such information without making a mistake is just asinine in the extreme.

As for my hate towards law enforcement, it is entirely justified. They are no better than a street gang at this point.

 

I doubt it, I agree with this guy:

 

What's ridiculous is the idea that cops should be able to kill people without actually knowing if they pose a genuine threat first.

You are basically saying that police should have less restrictions on their use of deadly force than Marines did in Iraq. THAT is ridiculous.

 

Yes, honestly, I suppose I am. Yours was a singularly difficult assignment, and I do not doubt that any police force in the United States would welcome you in their ranks. That notwithstanding, although it is possible that your training, experience, weapons proficiency, close-quarter battle skills, etc., may be superior to that of the police officer involved in this situation, I cannot condemn him as you do... and neither did this officer's board of inquiry, which reviewed all known specifics in this unfortunate incident.

 

That would be nice, but I'd settle for mandatory body cams, less stupid laws, better training, and more accountability for those who violate the rights of Americans.

 

And here I was close to saying perhaps we need to send them to the middle east so they could act as they do here with citizens! But you think they are not suited for that either!

Look, all of our cops are not like this guy, hopefully. But the way they are trained is far too wrong for them to serve as the police of a republic, and to protect and serve americans. You have to draw a line here, and it needs to be the same lines we have used for most of our history, and then accept the fact that policing is and has always been risky business. Turning our police into a militarized organization is not the way to police americans. Trying to make police work absolutely a risk free business is impossible, and is leading to deaths due to the extent of these tactics, and what must be required of citizens as they interact with our police. The old way of policing citizens worked out just fine, and it also looked like a civilian police force instead of the SS. We are gonna get to the point that the only way to protect people from these kind of cops, is to arm the cops with a gun which is single shot, and they must keep their one bullet in their front pocket like Deputy Barney Fife did, just to protect citizens from these people. We have always expected cops to get killed in the line of duty, but we never had to expect unarmed citizens to get filled with 5 shots of lead from a cop's gun.
Especially when the citizen is drinking and may not be able to jump through the absurd hoops when the cop didn't need a hoop jumper. How hard would it have been, to keep his gun ready to shot, and walking the few feet to see if there was a gun in the back of his pants, and then doing the old trick of dropping your knee with your weight behind it, on the back of the guys neck? Then seeing he is not armed, putting the cuffs on him? That tactic would have saved the life of this american, but I guess some cops get off on ordering a citizen to jump through hoops, with the warning that if he deviates in any manner, you will kill him. Just that would make most people nervous and full of fear, that it would be natural to miss one of the hoops. I know the time that cop I told about, had his gun drawn on me, as he was literally shaking like a dog trying to sh*t out a peach pit, sure did something to my own consciousness. And not a good thing either. This bastard cop would have killed me as he killed this guy. And a jury would have allowed him to walk. Look if you do not want to risk your own life, then never become a cop. How did cops for a couple hundred years manage to report to work every day given that they were not allowed to require so much hoop jumping? You think that we only got cop killers in the past few years? And yet, the respect for citizens, the ways cops now interact with them has changed. Treating everyone you stop like they are a mass murderer on the loose is the wrong way to go. Which is why our past policing did not do it. Duh.

 

It really wasn't that difficult. A little mental toughness combined with common sense goes a long way. It also doesn't hurt to have some basic human decency and respect for life. Unfortunately, many police officers lack these qualities, including the individual(s) who killed Shaver.

 

Yes there were multiple cops there who are all complicit IMO. Why didn't any of them use their brains to defuse that maniac?