Is it atheist to hate god?

While I agree that atheists judge God by human standards, thus attempting to anthropomorphizing God, many believers do the same thing. Any power capable of creating the entire Universe is a power well beyond human comprehension. There are some universal truths, but mostly a lot of unknowns.

 

just remember, we're all being punished because Adam ate the apple, we deserve it

 

Ok why exactly am a fool? I'm not judging anyone's beliefs. You keep assigning me a label of theist when I'm agnostic. You and others are entitled to believe what you wish. So you haven't even interpreted what I've said and I think I was clear and reasonable. I don't like the bullying which you are trying to do now by calling me a fool without clear reasons. It's also name calling but I'm a big boy and can take it.

But what I've said is don't demonize etc when you don't understand the theology of the Christians or you cherry pick something in the OT which is no longer germane to Christianity. Be reasonable and fair minded as well as respectful and civil of others beliefs. If you haven't noticed I haven't judged nor attacked anyone for being an atheist. It's the uncivil debate which includes your present posts and some others that I find annoying. I said so and you appear so fragile you can stand someone who brings it to attention.

 

You're welcome to your opinion. But God did not act in a wrathful fashion based on Revelation although if you believe I suppose he might at some point.

 

There are a lot of ways to interpret that story. Let's not forget that it was supposedly written down by Moses after, literally, thousands of years of campfire stories. All ancient cultures have "origin" stories. That one is more parable than fact as science has proved.

 

which god?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deities

 

I think most of them just use reasons which are not within their actual non-belief system to make points which they don't believe.

If they do believe those arguments are valid, then they are not atheists, but simply reject God. Actually, God would be okay with that, but not someone who is simply a fence sitter, who chooses no side. When I say He'd be okay with that. I don't mean you will be rewarded for rejection.

In the end, I don't care what you don't believe. You must find your path and follow it. I must follow mine.

 

yep, the new is always built on top of the old, previous religions included much of what newer religions do, in campfire days was much easier to commit plagiarism and get away with it, adopt it as your own, one of the reason many newer religion often destroyed all copies they found of the older religions, as time goes on, people forget

 

In point of fact, judging the beliefs of others is all that you are doing and then denying what you are actually doing.

Now you say that Christianity has changed over time when it was first claimed as the exact word of gawd.

Can you see where there is doubt about what you claim?

 

Usually atheists refer to the Christian God. Certainly not the Muslim God and rarely the Jewish God.

 

No doubt there is an evolution to beliefs. After all, how can any of us really know? It's a matter of faith.

 

How does one HATE something non-existent?

 

they are all one and the same Jewish God, Christian and Muslims believe in the Jewish God

 

which of course is why the government should not try to push religion on anyone, people should be free to choose that for themselves

 

I think you misunderstand what these atheists are doing. They are often making an argument that a specific God cannot be, what he is purported to be, in writings that proponents used to show his existence, influence and activity. So if you are using the Bible to sell the Christian God as an example of righteousness, love, goodness, and justice, they are ready to show you occasions when that same Bible suggests otherwise.

Alternately, they are talking in broader philosophical terms about any God that one may claim is both omnipotent, all-powerful. Its the old 'if God is good, he is not God; if God is god, he is not good' line of thinking.

I see anti-theists, as a subset of atheists, who not only do not believe in God, but actively opposes and works to defeat theism. I am an atheist who does not believe in a God or several gods, but really does not care if you or others do. I do not see theism itself as either a bad or good thing xo I don't spend much energy recruiting you away from religion or theism.

 

Correct, but each interprets God differently. Atheists go after the Christian God. My guess is because they are predominantly western.

 

Agreed, which is why it's in our Constitution.

 

No one said they were logical. Most atheists, especially the militant ones, are young, under 25, and many are anarchists. Both of which indicate a lack of maturity. Like most young people, they run on emotion, not logic. The PC way to put it is "they are passsionate", but the non-PC is they are overly-emotional asshats.

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise-demographics/

 

My guess is that those atheists who are 'anti-theist', expend their energy attacking the religion that they are most acquainted with, and the one that dominates the culture they live in. Anti-theists in the far east, may not concern themselves attacking the Christian Bible when many of their neighbors don't know squat about it. .

 

I never realized Muslims were of the Abrahamic faiths. I guess those would include Islam, Hebrews, and Christians of all denominations and none? That's a huge number of believers to blame it on. I'm guessing Christians and Jews, and most Muslims don't want gays dead or suffering, even if their beliefs tell them gays are committing sins against humans and their gods.

I think an argument could be made for them treating Christians as bad or worse. Burning them in a cage after dumping gasoline on them seems like it's a bit worse, but I am not in favor of any of the violence.

Christians fear you will lose your soul. At least the ones who are true followers. They don't or shouldn't want harm on any gay. If they do, then they are not following Christ. I can't remember anywhere He said to stone a gay. I could be wrong, but I believe Christ changed the way things were to be done to some extent. Check your New Testament for a better understanding, and ask someone with education to explain.

 

Agreed; like I said they are westerners. Interesting that you bring up the Far East because Eastern Philosophy is far different from Western, hence why you'd rarely, if ever, see a militant atheist.

Western religious philosophy believes we are made like clay figurines. That God forms us out of dust and then inserts our souls. That our bodies are like puppets and we reside somewhere behind the eyeballs spending our life directing this puppet until we die and leave it. Eastern philosophy is that we are grown, that our souls didn't exist then it grew along with our bodies...although some do believe in reincarnation they also believe that our soul grows with each life. If it doesn't grow, it may revert back to a lesser life form. These two very different philosophies affect how each groups approaches everything in their lives. Of course we're all still human and given to human nature, but the philosophical differences does have a definite impact on how people live.

 

Correct. All are the sons of Abraham.

All the major Abrahamic religions claim a direct lineage to Abraham:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Etymology

• Abraham is recorded in the Torah as the ancestor of the Israelites through his son Isaac, born to Sarah through a promise made in Genesis.[Gen. 17:16][17]
• The sacred text of Christianity is the Christian Bible, the first part of which, the Old Testament, is derived from the Jewish Bible, leading to similar ancestry claims as above, although most Christians are gentiles who consider themselves as grafted into the family tree under the New Covenant, see significance of Abraham for Christians for details.
• It is the Islamic tradition that Muhammad, as an Arab, is descended from Abraham's son Ishmael. Jewish tradition also equates the descendants of Ishmael, Ishmaelites, with Arabs, as the descendants of Isaac by Jacob, who was also later known as Israel, are the Israelites.[18]
• The Báb, regarded by Bahá'í's as a predecessor to Bahá'u'lláh, was a Sayyid, or a direct descendant of Muhammad and thus traces his ancestry to Abraham's son Ishmael. Tradition also holds that Bahá'u'lláh is a descendant of Abraham through his third wife, Keturah.[19]

 

I doubt anything would change your mind. I have never encountered such a person. Further, i went through a phase where i listened to lots of youtube videos by prominent and less prominent atheists. I hAve never encountered what you proposed. Perhaps you could post an example... which should be easy given that you described these people as loud

This sounds. Like the imagination of a person who views many unrelated things through the lense of political partysanship

In my experience some of the loudest, most vociferous athiests are libertarians. Who are politically exactly opposite of what you suggest

Without some example this is speculation at best

Btw there are numerous examples of a state controlled by, or working hand in glove with religion

You mean like the ludicris claim that obama supporters worshiped him

Frankly i find trump more uncritically worshiped. But your opinion likely varies

 

No wonder they hate the Jews. Muslims believe the bible. Ishmael gave up his inheritance for a bowl of soup. He must have thought it a joke and then was pissed when it wasn't. Though, I don't think they follow Abraham's religious beliefs or the God of the bible. I'm not sure what they lost, to tell the truth.

Anyway, thanks. I thought it was just blood relatives, not actually religious. I still don't agree they are the same God. Besides, Christ changed much of how we were to treat each other from His life on. Doesn't mean anyone follows it, but some know it's truth.

 

I'm not here to argue about whether god is evil or not, my point relates mostly to the fact that the arguments have been presented poorly to theists. The OP has seen these type of arguments, and their reaction is not to ponder about the possible flaws about their theology, all they see is someone claiming to be an atheist, and then producing arguments which rely on god existing. Given how many of these arguments are presented, it's not at all surprising that the points get lost.

 

Um, ok. Weren't the examples I have already gave enough?