Is it atheist to hate god?

Those who follow Richard Dawkins' form of atheism believe in ridicule and mocking.

 

How exactly does this relate to my post? I don't have any particularly informative answer to the question.

 

I am just being facetious to illustrate a point.

 

Um, ok. I found it mostly to be confusing, not really illustrative, but very well.

 

I see....so I take it would be fine with me (an Atheist) insulting all Christians and lumping them into a derogatory and arbitrary category I decide to make up?

Then perhaps I might show the hatred you do.

 

Ok, show me where I judged someone's beliefs ie atheist, agnostic, Christian etc. I've judged your behavior of being uncivil and I've judged people who espouse erroneous theology.

I don't care who believes in God. You can believe in the Great Tooth Fairy as far as I'm concerned. Or nothing. But if you're going to comment on a public forum don't get surprised if someone challenges your theology if it differs from mainstream theology of that group.

I didn't say Christianity had changed. I implied the covenant of the OT is generally not considered germane to most Christians. This all started with the rejection of God over His OT wrath which is no longer germane. We don't see it anymore. Jesus stated he brought a new covenant which BTW is much easier to stay in grace than the old. No one does blood sacrifices anymore. I'm not responsible for a new covenant. Jesus is. Or at least he claimed so. The only proof he was who he said he was is the Resurrection. Otherwise you wouldn't be wrong to think him a fool. He said things any reasonable person would understand would lead to his doom.

 

You asked me a question about atheists. Now ask me one about Christians and homosexuals. You might learn something.

Are you denying there militant atheists on this forum who hate Christians? I'm sure we can agree that there are "Christians" on this forum that hate gays, atheists and Muslims.

 

There is nothing confusing here. Atheists falsely hold God to human moral standards. But if we apply the standards that exist, the idea that "God is evil" is just silly.

 

Yes, it would be absurd to hate something you do not believe exists. lol

So, they must hate the fact that some people believe in a god that they think does not exist? But it might be hard to hate people for believing in something you do not believe in. One might say, that if you did, there was a mental problem with such a brain?

I have an atheist friend, I have known since I was in high school, that is a really nice guy, high morals, that laughs at people who believe in a god, as if they were stupid for doing so. He equates this belief as a means test for stupidity. We get along fine, even when I remind him of my own position. That it is just as stupid to believe in something which cannot be verified, his belief in no god at all. For he exhibits such certainty in something impossible to verify. I wish I could have certainty, one way or the other. But since I cannot, and no one else can either, this drove me logically into agnosticism. For it is the only position I can hold, with certainty. And at least as of today, I am certain that I am agnostic, given this is where the logic left me. Not that I sought it, or wanted it, but it is the only place logic would take me. So not really a choice, made, as I was driven there by logic and it then dropped me off, closed the door, and drove off.

Sometimes logic does this. Takes one to a place and drops you off. And once it does that, it is impossible, I think, to ever go home again, and embrace a belief in god, or embrace a belief that there is no god. For logic keeps rearing its inconvenient head. And self delusion offers no way out of it, unless something happens to the brain which makes it impossible to see logic.

 

Actually, they state that there is no god, regardless of flavor. Read a book.

 

Actually it is theists who provide what they consider to be motives for this gawd. No proof, just their own insistence.

 

You haven't been paying attention to other threads. Here, try this one: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...an-nationalism.520509/page-16#post-1068385899

 

Actually, the point is that there is no gawd. All arguments in the positive are mere wishes based upon superstition. No reality present.

 

Awesome. Annnnd you're so certain of this because.....?

 

When you bring "reason" people into this, you exclude theists.

Additionally, you assign theology to fit your needs where none exists. This makes your entire argument invalid.

 

Comments @tecoyah ?

 

Many years of living with zero evidence of this gawd. Why do you seem to believe in such an ephemeral entity with no evidence.

 

In other words you have no valid response. As usual.

 

There is actually a word for what you are looking for: misotheism, maltheism or dystheism: the belief that God exists, but is evil. It is common in Gnostic belief systems.

Atheists, on the other hand, don't believe that God exists at all. When we talk about God being evil, we are talking about certain beliefs about God, pointing out that the God of the Bible fails to meet basic moral standards and/or pointing out flaws in the theory that our universe was created by a benevolent God. Seeing as belief in this God is the majority view, we'll often talk about him in terms of "Well, if God exists . . . " or "Well, the God of the Bible . . . " in order to make a point related to what I shared above. No, this is not the same as literally acknowledging that God exists.

 

If any standards exist at all, the God of the Bible fails to satisfy them.

 

Certain belief systems deserve ridicule and mocking. No religion that teaches any sort of punishment for nonbelievers has any room to complain.

 

I would agree, however, this has not come across to the theists who are presented with the argument (such as the OP). What good is an argument if it can't be understood by the reader/listener?

 

*Cue Agent Cooper* Damn fine observation. Damn fine.

 

By far your worse. Your first comment about reason is just inflammatory with no basis in reality. In fact all I've seen from you is smear tactics and no theology or logical debate.

I gave you systemic theology based on the Christian faith with a 2000 year history. You make a statement like that above with nothing of substance to refute it. Where did I utter something not mainstream Christian theology? You can't repsond because I suspect you have no idea what their theology is nor is it part of your MO. You'd rather just spew nonsense and attack people. It's all you have. Neither you nor I have to believe it in toto or part but if you're going to criticize people for their faith at least know what the heck you and they are talking about. Not only do you not understand why and what they believe but you have no idea why you object to it so strenuously.

You have a nice day.

 

I think atheists at some point, in becoming an atheist, probably look at human existence, and how lives off of killing other life, and probably think...is this the best an all knowing, all powerful god can do? If we must have evil in order to discern the good and vice versa, why didn't this all good, all loving go, create a universe with a greater good vs. a lessor good? If you need human discernment.

And what kind of all good, all powerful god would create a hell of torture and suffering, for all of eternity, when he could have created it differently so as not to torture his creation?

So, I can understand how and why someone would look at the god of monotheism and figure there is no way in hell for such a god to exist. And wonder how some people can believe in such a monster, who seems to require a greater morality from his subjects than he is willing to give. It is hard for some minds to accept that the god of monotheism looks more like a human being, with his jealousness, his demand to be loved or else, and the requirement to kill animals to appease him. And that his set up looks remarkably just like the set up of an earthy king, even the bowing and such.

For if such a god does exist, he would not deserve to be a god, nor does he look like what a real creator of this universe should look like and act like. What kind of god would put old Job what he put Job through, just because he was betting with Satan and wanted to win the bet? You would not trust a human being who did such a thing, nor would you have high regards for him. You would think you were watching a psychopath at work.

But looky here folks. IF this god of the christians, jews and muslim really existed, and if he really wanted people to love one another, be moral and love him, and to join him in heaven, using the logic that he gave us, he would appear to us in each generation, to all nations at one time, reveal himself and tell us what he wanted us to do. He would never just give us an ancient book where there is no guarantee man did not corrupt it, change it, and then expect us to have faith in such a book. Instead he would reveal himself, which would guarantee him that most of humanity would believe in him, and do as he wanted us to do. And given the fact that this has not happened, that he would not do this is the best evidence one can ever have that such a god simply is the imagination of man. Especially given there are hundreds of religions, with many having their own books, older than the bible and each religion believing their god or gods and their books are the only true books.

So, the logic that god gave us should be the tool we could use to determine if the god of the bible and Koran, actually exists or not. And logic says if he really cared about what the bible says he cares about, he would appear to humanity in each generation, which would guarantee the greatest number of people who would worship him love him and obey him. And do it in a most honest way, since to reject such a god who took the time off to tell you the truth, would have to be a spawn of satan, he could surround himself with his children. And to base man's salvation on having faith that only the bible is true, and that he exists, looks more like what a con man would do in separating another person from their money. That this god set up these parameters and rules, which works against what he wants is incoherence. It looks more like what a man set up, as he made himself an authority, in order to gain wealth, position and power. Or a confidence game which has been very profitable.