U.S. Gun Death Rate Jumps 17 Percent Since 2008 Supreme Court District of Columbia v. Heller

There is no evidence to show that the Heller ruling played any part in the number of homicides being committed by those who cannot legally possess a firearm, or in firearm-related suicides being committed by those who legally can possess a firearm. Correlation does not equal causation.

 

Except studies cannot show a reduction in suicide due to causes of any kind.

There is no comparative basis such as a double blind study, there is no basis of any kind or type, since people contemplating suicide are not forthcoming, and the deceased cannot tesify, and if one year suicides increase or decrease, there is no cause and effect proved, inasmuch as substitution effects, are indeed proved, as is related to firearms availability or the lack thereof, as in Japan, or in Prison, that has almost 100 % control over it's population of Imate Prisoners.

 

I think the evidence is pretty clear and if it only means waiting a few days or filling out a form then it is more than worth it to give it a try

 

Except true proof shows that gun control far exceeding forms and waiting periods do not show any substantial crime prevention effects, and I can testify to this, as an impartial observer and a law enforcement agent on temporary assignments in various countries......

 

Sounds like a bunch of criminals dying as a result of increased numbers of Defensive Gun Uses. Awesome!

 

Let's try the forms first

 

I personally fill out any form and always jump through any hoops offered me like a trained Doggy for treats, Woof Woof !!- I am just not fooled into believing it does any good.
Because it does not.

I object to Gun Control, because even when it appears beneficial, the benefit is temporary, the harm is permanent.

 

Yet suicide in Australia is at an all time high.

Far higher than when they could buy guns.

Maybe they're depressed that they can't buy guns. That's a tough one.

 

Not amazing that Galileo hasn't been back to defend his yellow journalism.

 

He just runs in, plays one shot of bologna darts, and runs away.

I would guess some who do that are probably paid shills.

 

we have proven that is not realistic nor possible

 

we who like to shoot, hunt or compete want to defend our hobbies, our rights or our sport. you wonder what motivates those who want to destroy our hobbies, our sport or our rights? certainly not those who are actually motivated by public safety

 

Yep.

They don't want safety, they want to be controlled.

Freedom is a terrifying concept to liberals, as is being accountable for one's own decisions made with that freedom.

 

No you have not. Lol

 

This is the US

 

There is good reason to believe that.

"In 1976 the District of Columbia adopted a law that banned the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. We evaluated the effect of implementing this law on the frequency of homicides and suicides....

"Our data suggest that restrictions on access to guns in the District of Columbia prevented an average of 47 deaths each year after the law was implemented."
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199112053252305#t=abstract

 

"Australia's 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides. Total homicide rates followed the same pattern. Removing large numbers of rapid‐firing firearms from civilians may be an effective way of reducing mass shootings, firearm homicides and firearm suicides."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704353/

Gun control saves lives.

 

Oh so gun laws only work in the US and not the rest of the world.

Interesting argument.

 

Um, no.

First of all, those numbers are 2015. The suicide rate in australia continued to climb all through 2016 and into 2017.

Secondly, those are not the numbers for 2015.

The appropriate numberes are here for 2015.

http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.sdg.3-4-data?lang=en

Age standardized rates were : Australia 10.4, US: 11.5

Barely a 1 per 100k difference.

So you're telling me that the vast amount of firearms difference that exists between the US and Australia caused a ONE PER 100K increase.

Additionally, France, Belgium and many other such countries have a HIGHER suicide rate than the US.

Better go work on your argument some more.

 

you lose. your silly statistics are impossible. given the waiting periods only apply to less than 2% of those who use guns to commit murder, pretending waiting periods can reduce homicide murders by 17% is clearly impossible. Anyone who understands deductive reasoning would get that

btw you cannot prove a SINGLE homicide was prevented by a waiting period. NOT oNE

 

As usual you have no evidence. Dismissed

 

The fallacy in your reasoning is that you are including deaths unaffected by gun control. What is the gun suicide rate in Australia? 0.7 per 100,000

What is the gun suicide rate in the US? 6.7 per 100,000

That's a very significant difference.

 

No more 3rd grade lessons for @Turtledude

 

That has to be the stupidest argument I have ever seen.

So what you're saying is this:

Australians only kill themselves with guns at 0.7 per 100k. That means they kill themselves with non-guns at 9.7 per 100k.

Americans kill themselves with guns at 6.7 per 100k. That means they kill themselves with non-guns at 4.8 per 100k.

Thanks for proving that if you can't find a gun to kill yourself, you will substitute something else.

It also proves in the US that despite the vast availability of firearms, it's roughly 60-40 firearms/other methods when it comes to choosing a method of suicide.

I appreciate your help.

 

Yet their suicide rate is lower