Senator Calls Trump’s Denial of ‘Shithole’ Comment ‘Not True’

There is a difference between saying that a dress is unflattering vs telling your wife that she looks like a beached whale. You might prefer The beached whale description as being the most accurate. Perhaps you will even be confused when your wife is insufficiently appreciative of your linguistic accuracy. You may even complain to your friends of you wife’s failure to appreciate the honestly with which you addressed the issue.

Now let’s consider mr art of the deal trump. Since when is the best negotiating strategy to insult people. Is it ok to insult people in a negotiation because it gets your rocks off? Or because you cannot help yourself. Or because your friends in the bar will enjoy hearing what you said?

It is not that trump did not have some valid points to make. But it was damn stupid to say it like he said it. And his word choice is not any less stupid via the excuse that there was some truth in what he said.

And, I would say that what makes this situation appalling is the fact that so many Americans proudly revel in trumps unparalleled ability to turn a reasonable position into an insult.

 

Let’s suppose that you lived in one of these shithole countries
What is the process for immigration? Do you know?
Or are you just pissedoff in a uninformed sort of way?

 

I absolutely agree with you. I inadvertently left out a word.

 

Speaking of evidence, ever find anything to dispute the 100+ billion dollar, per year, drain that is caused by illegal immigrants? Or still just operating on those feelz?

 

Think what they save your masters on wages!

 

They pay some taxes, not all the ones citizens do. At the end they are a proven drain to the tune of 100+ billion dollars every, single year.
Already linked the study. Jake couldn't find anything to dispute the numbers, how about you?
Show us they're a positive?

 

You mean schoolchildren don't EARN? Force them into the factories at five, as capitalism intended! Back to Manchester In the 1840s!

 

Nope, they don't. They do consume resources aplenty. Services rendered amount to over 100 B-B-B-B-B-Billion per year Ned. You like spending your Nations treasure on other nations citizens? Whats that do to your ROI on the taxes you pay?
Got all the golden roads and bridges you need for instance? Schools over flowing with resources in your city? No homeless American Citizens in your city?

Nah, lets allow our feelings to overrule our common sense and drain us dry.

 

No, the $$$ does not go the way you suggest, so please do better in proving that.

 

I already proved it. This may be a surprise to you Jake, but your saying "no" doesn't counter the hard numbers I posted. Either you have something to go along with your opinion....or you don't, but again your opinion is worthless without such attached to it.

 

As you know bloody well, when people grow up they contribute hugely to keeping your capitalism going.

 

Non citizens do not, as YOU well know.

 

That's up to you, obviously. Racism costs, you see.

 

When you run out of sound-bytes, and emotional platitudes...pull out the race card lol. Didn't take long for this to happen Ned.

 

Racism? I saw so much of it when I grew up in the South. Guess what? Compared to then, it is almost nonexistent today. So we must coin a new term...2018 Racism. Not to be confused with real deal racism. The kind that hung black people and kept black people from working in living wage jobs in factories in the south in those terrible old days. I wish you young uns' could actually live in real racism, so you would know what in the hell it really looks like.

 

Young I am not. These things are comparative. The real Nazis believe there's no more racism because they lynched no-one last week.

 

Many of the problems and failures of Central American countries stem from the fact that monied interests from the US and Europe have corrupted the political process by using their wealth to install puppet regimes for over a century. These regimes serve to enrich the puppet, his family and a few chosen friends somewhat while allowing foreign corporations to pillage the natural rescources and exploit the labor force while taking all the money to Wall Street and London and leaving the host country in financial ruin.

 

I liked your post about 'the dress', and I agree with you that in the area of politics, one should try to be more agreeable and less abrasive in one's descriptions of things (no matter how repellent they may be).

You also raise a very good point that should be the foundation of every discussion about immigration to the United States -- i.e., exactly what IS the process to become a citizen of this country? Many of us are hotly debating this, but it appears that not many really understand what is involved.

So here's a handy-dandy 'primer' that describes the process simply and understandably: https://www.usa.gov/become-us-citizen

The essence of it appears below, with emphasis mine::

To file for U.S. citizenship, you must:

• Have had a Permanent Resident (Green) Card for at least five years, or for at least three years if you’re filing as the spouse of a U.S. citizen
  • If you apply for naturalization less than six months before your Permanent Resident Card expires, or do not apply for naturalization until your card has already expired, you must renew your card.
  • You can apply for naturalization before you receive your new Green Card, but you’ll need to submit a photocopy of the receipt of your Form I-90, Application to Replace Permanent Resident Card, when you receive it.
• Meet certain eligibility requirements including being
  • At least 18 years old at the time of filing
  • Able to read, write, and speak basic English
  • A person of good moral character
• Go through the ten step naturalization process which includes
  • Determining your eligibility to become an American citizen
  • Preparing and submitting form N-400, the application for naturalization
  • Taking the U.S. Naturalization Test and having a personal interview
    

With all the 'wailing and 'gnashing of teeth' going on about this issue, you'd think that it involved a trip to the moon and back, along with a requirement to determine the root cause of human stupidity.... Hint: Illegal is illegal is ILLEGAL....

What is so hard to understand? What is so impossible to do? We should provide a "Green Card" to the "Dreamers" who want to work here and/or apply for citizenship in this country. We should deport as soon as possible all those who do NOT want to follow the simple guidelines referred to.

 

Well, you can thank Dickey Durbin for that. Private conversations in white house meetings aren't intended for international dissemination.

 

Durbin does not serve the President of the United States, only the citizens of the US and his own party.

 

Was Durbin the first to release this allegation? I think not.

As I understand it... trump said pretty much what has been reported
Many people attending the meeting were shocked
Including Lindsay graham... who responded in the meeting itself
Anyway, after the meeting, several people gossiped about what they found shocking
And the people who heard that gossip were in turn shocked
And that gossip quickly became rumors
Which rumors reached some reporters
Who tried to verify the rumors
And the reporters found several people reporting the same language during the meeting
So the rumors were considered confirmed and were published
And then there were an unconvincing series of non-denial denials
And various deflections... like saying that what was actually said was shithouse
Then Durbin said the denials were not true
Then people said no one had actually CONFIRMED the story ON THE RECORD ... implying that the story was therefore not true
then durbin specifically went on the record confirming the events in the meeting in great detail
Then various people have come out and confirmed that ”strong language” was used in the meeting
But these people refused to quote any of that strong language

perhaps there is some room to blame Durbin.... but, truthfully, all he did was to confirm rumors.... rumors that were falsely denied

But, no one attending the meeting was sworn to secrecy, no security clearance was required to attend the meeting. Given trumps own experience, he had no reasonable expectation that his comments would not be leaked. trump could have avoided this sorry sequence of events by the application of a bare modicum of circumspection and diplomacy.... which is not an unreasonable expectation

 

He said it. Yep.

 

Yes... thank you for that summary

I would add that what you posted pre supposes that the immigrant has been granted a green card
..... and this process then becomes a primary hurdle in the process. The fact is that getting a green card is not easy... you don’t just walk into an embassy and pick up a green card lying around on the counter for anyone to take

 

In fact I've lived in Central America for the past 24 years, own properties there, and the main problem is the culture of corruption. You analysis would work only if you recognized that the dominant European culture comes from Spain, the home of a great deal of corruption itself. Nepotism is rife, the bureaucracy is unaccountable, government services are spotty and petty thievery is everywhere.

However once you can accept these inconveniences and frequent frustrations the people can be wonderful. The internet is helping because they are reading the reviews of visitors and realize they must change in order to bring in more money and increase tourism. That are adapting in a Darwinian fashion. They once assumed corruption from the police and bureaucracy was the natural order of things but that's changing. The US had nothing to do with the climate of corruption, nor did other European countries than Spain.

 

You can thank Trump for reversing his position thanks to little Miller and the manner in which it was reversed.